[Asterisk-Users] CE certification for Europe

Thu Apr 3 09:32:14 MST 2003

hi kapejod
you said
"hmmm...getting approvals for europe isnt that easy."
the testing and cert filing is being handled by a national lab, i'm sure
they know what their doing. and if the drivers make the CE need to be
updated, at least it will be legal.
you also said
"oh yes, sure you can produce the cards and sell them cheaper,
but that doesnt take the development time of the zaptel drivers
into account. opening up a competition against digium based on
their software and GPLed hardware design doesnt sound good to me .....
rather sounds like M$ style to me."
look the original isa zap cards cost ~$250.  they did all the hard work and
they released the design GPL so that the world would benifit from their hard
work. zapata did this so that development would flerish and grow. IMHO,
selling the card for $1500 really slows development. also note that there
are several other GPL projects that could benifit from the lowering of the
hardware entry level.

PLEASE DON'T GET ME WRONG,  i honor the hard work of the asterisk team, i
just think it could be better if;
1. it was FCC, CA and CE certified (FCC and CA states no card is reg with
them as of last week)
2. the cost of the hardware was lower, allowing more development
3. more drivers, for more projects was made available.

look all i'm saying is; my company was forced to produce our own cards
becuase diguim did not, or could not produce FCC cert numbers. without these
numbers we could not legally connect the to th PSTN. the fine for doing so
is about $200-$300 bucks per day, and no insurance company would cover them
in a data center inviroment. since we was going to produce our own cards, i
thought i would share with the rest of the world our findings.
dwayne
----- Original Message -----
From: "Klaus-Peter Junghanns" <kpj at junghanns.net>
To: <asterisk-users at lists.digium.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] CE certification for Europe

> Hi d hintion,
>
> hmmm...getting approvals for europe isnt that easy.
> because you get the approval for a combination of hardware
> and driver software, so when you change the driver you loose
> the approval.
>
> oh yes, sure you can produce the cards and sell them cheaper,
> but that doesnt take the development time of the zaptel drivers
> into account. opening up a competition against digium based on
> their software and GPLed hardware design doesnt sound good to me .....
> rather sounds like M$ style to me.
>
> regards
> kapejod
>
> --
> Klaus-Peter Junghanns
>
> CEO,CTO
> Junghanns.NET GmbH
> Breite Strasse 13 - 12167 Berlin - Germany
> fon:    +49 30 79705390
> fax:    +49 30 79705391
> iaxtel: 1-700-157-8753
> email:  kpj at junghanns.net
>
>
> Am Don, 2003-04-03 um 17.15 schrieb d hinton:
> > you know, i asked diguim guys for this info and got nothing. so my
company
> > decided to produce these cards for our own use and have them tested for
FCC,
> > CA and CE certs
> >
> > est. for testing we got back, range between $7,500 - $9,500 (USD) for
all
> > three.
> > we are also surprised that the quote we got for producing these cards
was so
> > cheap, that we could produce them and sell them for just under
$850(USD). we
> > believe that this would be more in line with the reason zap tel guy's
> > released the plans GPL. so that average developers could afford the
card. if
> > there's enough intrest i'm sure i could get my boss to sponsor a project
> > that provides driver support for wider use of the zapata card and lower
cost
> > hardware, unless diguim wishes to do it (HINT). shout out to me before
the
> > end of this week, cause our cards go to the manufacturer on 4/10/2003
and
> > the testing starts no soon as the manufacturer sends us the prototype.
the
> > total led time we got back was 3-6 weeks.
> > dwayne
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Michiel Betel" <michiel at betel.nl>
> > To: <asterisk-users at lists.digium.com>
> > Cc: <raats at netland.nl>
> > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 8:18 AM
> > Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] CE certification for Europe
> >
> >
> > > I called around and got some rough quotes for R&TTE testing and
> > > certification for europe. It seems to boil down to euro 2400,- per
card to
> > > be tested. They would also need the tech. doc and design from
digium...
> > >
> > > Any european users want to help? I'd like to be able to legally use
the E1
> > > cards....
> > >
> > > Michiel
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: asterisk-users-admin at lists.digium.com
> > > [mailto:asterisk-users-admin at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Vlasis
> > > Hatzistavrou
> > > Sent: woensdag 2 april 2003 15:25
> > > To: asterisk-users at lists.digium.com
> > > Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] CE certification for Europe
> > >
> > >
> > > Thank you very much for your reply and for clarifying this point.
> > >
> > > Does anyone know if there is any effort for approval of the boards as
> > > communications equipment in Europe then?
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Vlasis.
> > >
> > > Klaus-Peter Junghanns wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Vlasis,
> > > >
> > > > CE is no certification, it is just a decleration of conformity from
> > > > the manufacturer. It has nothing to do with getting an ITU / ETSI
> > > > (whatever...) approval for communication equipment.
> > > >
> > > > regards
> > > > kapejod
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Klaus-Peter Junghanns
> > > >
> > > > CEO,CTO
> > > > Junghanns.NET GmbH
> > > > Breite Strasse 13 - 12167 Berlin - Germany
> > > > fon:    +49 30 79705390
> > > > fax:    +49 30 79705391
> > > > iaxtel: 1-700-157-8753
> > > > email:  kpj at junghanns.net
> > > >
> > > > Am Die, 2003-04-01 um 10.13 schrieb Vlasis Hatzistavrou:
> > > > > Hello,
> > > > >
> > > > > I'd like to ask if there are any news about CE certification of
the
> > > > > E1 boards. I know that the T1 boards are FCC certified but I'd
also
> > > > > like to know what is the status for CE certification.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for any input,
> > > > > Vlasis Hatzistavrou.
> > > > >
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