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<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">Brian,</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">What I want to do is take a position and argue a point of view.</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">What you are saying makes sense from the perspective of having the latest</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">patches and such, but CVS is generally popular in a development</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">FTP is the delivery mechanism that most people will expect to use.</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">Administrators all know FTP; I would suspect that CVS is a far less common</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">skill amongst Linux admins (you might argue that a good Linux admin should </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">know CVS, but I'm not so concerned about what skills people _should_ have, </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">what matters is what skills people _do_ have).</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">It seems a safe bet that having a 1.0 release is going create a whole new </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">group of people interested in downloading and installing Asterisk. Handling </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">the very different needs of these constituents may mean doing things that</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">aren't technically ideal, but are nonetheless required based on the</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">The problem we have is this: Asterisk is still the exclusive domain of</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">the über-geek. The question seems to be whether the use of CVS and such are</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">considered tests which must be passed for membership into the club, or</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">whether efforts need to be made to make entry easier. As an example, you</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">have advised me to "just specify the '1-0' stable branch when you</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">checkout", but I have tried that and met with no success. Since I do not</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">understand the CVS program well enough to troubleshoot, I am left with the</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">feeling that I do not qualify for entrance to the Asterisk club, by virtue</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">of my inability to comprehend CVS. </span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">FTP and tar work fine, BTW.</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">I am possibly a good example of the new breed of Asterisk users. I come</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">from the world of PBXs, and I guess would qualify as a power-user when it</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">comes to Linux. Based on conversations I've had with people, I've concluded</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">that I am at the high end of the newbie skill set, but the low end of the</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">developer skill set. Frankly, even though I am assisting in writing the</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">documentation, I am actually also one of the people who needs it very badly</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">in order to hone my skills.</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">For me, FTP is a piece of cake; CVS is a annoying mystery. You might say</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">"just learn CVS", and on one level you'd be right, but on another level</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">what we will be doing is driving potential users away because of processes</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">that are not attractive to the average person.</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">It's a tough call between doing what is pure and good, versus doing what</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">stands the best chance of attracting an appropriate audience.</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">All that aside, I respect that the documentation needs to reflect what</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">exists, not what we want. I have removed my modifications to the document</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">with repect to FTP, and reverted back to the version which discusses using</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">CVS.</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">I vote that we document FTP, but I respect that the distribution mechanisms </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">for Asterisk via FTP may not yet be able to serve the need.</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">This is a topic worthy of debate, so let's get some opinions, rants and </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">such so we can form an informed view!</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">Regards,</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">Jim.</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">On 7 Oct 2004 at 1:53, Brian wrote:</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> You should still use CVS, just specify the '1-0' stable branch when you </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> checkout. The reason being bug and security fixes will be backported </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> from the HEAD branch to the STABLE branch.</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> Details on how to checkout the stable branch are on the download page at </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> http://www.asterisk.org</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> jim@digitalchemy.ca wrote:</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> > Sorry, I realize I didn't really clarify what I was talking about.</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> > </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> > The instructions in volume one specify CVS for obtaining Asterisk. </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> > Now that Asterisk is at v1.0, it makes sense to use FTP to download </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> > it.</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> > </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> > We'd still use CVS for the doc project.</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> > </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> > </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> > On 7 Oct 2004 at 0:38, William Suffill wrote:</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> > </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> > </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> >>Isn't it available by HTTP as it is in PDF or whatnot?</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> >>_______________________________________________</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> >>Asterisk-Doc mailing list</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> >>Asterisk-Doc@lists.digium.com</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> >>http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-doc</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> >></span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> > </span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">Jim Van Meggelen</span></font></div>
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