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I would like to add my 2 cents here as a long tim follower of this list.</div>
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I am aware of another mailing platform for such mailing lists. </div>
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it is done internally at sangoma given then there are alot of GDPR and other privacy concerns that woudl arise.</span></div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 4, 2023 14:02<br>
<b>To:</b> asterisk@phreaknet.org <asterisk@phreaknet.org><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Asterisk Developers Mailing List <asterisk-dev@lists.digium.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [asterisk-dev] Mailing List Future</font>
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<div dir="ltr">On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 8:52 AM <<a href="mailto:asterisk@phreaknet.org" target="_blank">asterisk@phreaknet.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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I strongly object to not having an asterisk-dev list. Mailing lists are <br>
essential for FOSS developer discussion. The majority of non-ephemeral <br>
development discussion happens either on IRC or here on the asterisk-dev <br>
list - just check the archives to see that it's still active. Most of us <br>
are not on the community forums and/or couldn't be bothered to use them. <br>
You can go and see now that "Development" on the community forums is <br>
basically dead, because nobody wants to use it, so trying to push that <br>
on everyone is a terrible idea.<br>
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<div>The "Development" category was done on a whim and hasn't really been advertised or mentioned a huge amount. I presented it merely as an option, as it was present.</div>
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Even for users, I think the loss of asterisk-users will be a major loss. <br>
Far more *discussion* is happening on the Discourse forum, but far more <br>
*quality* discussion still happens on asterisk-users. Being on a mailing <br>
list seems to be a natural weedout for junk questions. More serious <br>
questions still seem to come through on the mailing list. The community <br>
forums is far fuller of useless postings from people who can't tell a <br>
hard drive from a memory stick. Nobody wants to wade through a bunch of <br>
low-quality posts to find the few that might have some use. Thus, <br>
getting rid of asterisk-users would see a significant drop in the <br>
average quality of user engagement. But at least, even if the -users <br>
list is dropped, the -dev list should stick around in some form.<br>
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<div>To be quite blunt, the quality is better on asterisk-users because few actually use it. In the earlier days the quality wasn't as good when it was actually used more. Even then, the quality still varies on the asterisk-users list.</div>
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I know the forums can have emails enabled that you can receive, and no, <br>
that's not a proper replacement for a mailing list.<br>
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GitHub Discussions aren't a proper mailing list, either, so ultimately I <br>
think that will run into the same issue. GitHub has a lot of bells and <br>
whistles but most of them aren't as built out as using the proper tool <br>
they try to emulate.<br>
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I think #3 is the right choice. It's using the right tool for the right <br>
job. If you don't want to maintain the lists, have somebody else do it. <br>
I do a combination of hosted and self-hosted for my own lists. Contrary <br>
to the opinions of some, people, especially technical people, have not <br>
"moved on" from mailing lists; they are widely used, and I get hundreds <br>
of emails a day from them that I have a good workflow for.<br>
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Most lists I'm on that used to be elsewhere (e.g. Yahoo Groups, Google <br>
Groups, mailman, LISTSERV, other custom or independent platforms) have <br>
now migrated to <a href="https://link.edgepilot.com/s/622a4925/CQLh8Pvm80GUSnor4T2lzQ?u=http://groups.io/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">
groups.io</a> and are generally highly satisfied with it <br>
compared to other platforms. It used to be completely free; it's now <br>
free for lists under 100 members, or ones that are grandfathered in. As <br>
the maintainer of several lists there and a member of many more, I've <br>
been pretty happy with it.<br>
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I'd suggest creating a list there and letting people on this list <br>
manually opt into it, since there are probably a lot of people on <br>
mailman that aren't active anymore. If it's under 100 members, it's <br>
completely free anyways. If more than 100 people join, that means people <br>
here *really* like mailing lists and find value in them, and I'm sure <br>
Sangoma can afford $20 a month for it, if it really doesn't want to run <br>
mailman lists anymore that badly, and $20 is a small price to keep <br>
developers happy.<br>
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<div>Your opinion has been noted.</div>
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