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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>“</span>T1min was used as the lowest possible value of T1 for a monitored host - with qualify=yes. If that's changed, we need to re-review that.”<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Yes, it has changed (if it ever really was that way) you cannot configure a value lower than T1min for an unmonitored host, if you do a warning is logged and the t1min value is used instead. There appear to be 3 or 4 checks in the code for this. There is also a check for values below 200, which is completely arbitrary.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> asterisk-dev-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-dev-bounces@lists.digium.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Olle E. Johansson<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 13, 2013 1:30 AM<br><b>To:</b> Asterisk Developers Mailing List<br><b>Cc:</b> Olle E Johanson<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [asterisk-dev] more granular control of TImer T1<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>On 12 Nov 2013, at 17:34, Damon Estep <<a href="mailto:damon@soho-systems.com">damon@soho-systems.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Originally posted to<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="https://issues.asterisk.org/jira/browse/ASTERISK-22841"><span style='color:purple'>https://issues.asterisk.org/jira/browse/ASTERISK-22841</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Feedback was that this is more of a dev discussion than a bug.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>The definition of timer t1min is "Minimum roundtrip time for messages to monitored hosts" the key word is "monitored", which means qualify= is set to yes or a numeric value.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>The value of t1min is being evaluated when the timert1 value for a non-monitored host is read from the configuration and a warning is logged and timert1 is set to global_timert1 if the configured timert1 value for the non-monitored host is less than t1min.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>t1min should not apply to non-monitored hosts by definition and the user should be able to set a timer1 value that is less than t1min for a non-monitored host.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>If T1 is set in the config for a monitored host it should be used instead of the last qualify result.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>A case where this is needed is when there is a SBC in front of the monitored host. The SBC may answer the OPTIONS query directly and not pass it to the host which is behind the SBC. In this case the lastms is set to the RTT to the SBC, which is not indicative of the actual RTT for an INVITE which is proxied to the host (which adds additional delay).<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Setting T1 to the last measured OPTIONS RTT is a problematic for another reason as well. Any amount of jitter in the network can result in unneeded retransmits. In practice T1 is set to the estimated RTT which is not always the last RTT but rather the average RTT plus an allowance for network jitter. There are many reasons when a user might want to adjust timer T1 on a peer by peer basis. They should not be forced to accept a global minimum or system calculated T1 regardless of whether qualify is on. Qualify is used in other ways by many users, not just as a means of setting T1.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>The current timer configuration could be improved by adding a T1 jitter configuration value (in addition to or in place of T1min, which would be added to lastms to set T1. For example, if the lastms for a peer was 40ms and the T1jitter setting was 20, then T1 would be set to 60ms.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Comments or thoughts?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>I don't really follow you here. Originally T1min was not used at all for non-monitored hosts - is it today?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>T1min was used as the lowest possible value of T1 for a monitored host - with qualify=yes. If that's changed, we need to re-review that.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Now, the second part is more interesting. Setting T1 to the last value is better than nothing, but what you suggest are improvements to the code that I like.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Setting T1 to an average or implementing some sort of tolerance of jitter sounds like a good way forward. Looking forward to seeing code for this!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>/O<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>