<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 1:25 AM, Steve Underwood <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:steveu@coppice.org">steveu@coppice.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class="im">On 03/11/2012 02:04 PM, Tilghman Lesher wrote:<br>
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On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 10:26 PM, wrote:<br>
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On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 6:47 PM, Tilghman Lesher wrote:<br>
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On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Steve Totaro wrote:<br>
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On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Tilghman Lesher wrote:<br>
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Additionally, it matters not one whit when the Zapata Telephony<br>
Project started, only when Digium started using the mark. The Zapata<br>
Telephony project is a completely separate organization from Digium,<br>
and if they plausibly have a trademark on the Zaptel name, that does<br>
not extend to Digium. Separate organizations, separate trademarks.<br>
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Again, the driver for the first Tormenta card was called zaptel.<br>
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Irrelevant, because Digium never made the Tormenta ISA card.<br>
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They made the drivers.<br>
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Not the original ones, no. The original drivers were from BSD. As<br>
best as I can tell, everything was written no earlier than 2000. See<br>
the copyright on the website and within the individual source files.<br>
<a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20010302223218/http://www.bsdtelephony.com.mx/zapata-current.tar.gz" target="_blank">http://web.archive.org/web/<u></u>20010302223218/http://www.<u></u>bsdtelephony.com.mx/zapata-<u></u>current.tar.gz</a><br>
If you look through the code, as I have, you'll find that the term<br>
"zaptel" is not mentioned anywhere. Everything refers to Zapata<br>
Telephony or Tormenta. "Zaptel" was a later abbreviation by Mark<br>
Spencer, when he ported Jim Dixon's drivers to Linux.<br>
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The full site (unfortunately, the ported Linux package was not<br>
archived, so I cannot see what was there):<br>
<a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20010302223218/http://www.bsdtelephony.com.mx/" target="_blank">http://web.archive.org/web/<u></u>20010302223218/http://www.<u></u>bsdtelephony.com.mx/</a><br>
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The original "BSD telephony of Mexico" driver and applications code for the Tormenta 1 card was completed at the end of 1999, when the first Tormenta 1 card was available as a T1 card. By about Feb of 2000 I had modified a card to work as an E1 card, and my changes went into the main repository. That was about the time Mark Spencer started taking an interest in the work.<br>
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It seems that as soon as the first T1 card worked, all the work in Mexico ended. I don't think I ever inquired of Jim Dixon why that happened.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
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Steve</font></span><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Steve, thank you for your inside knowledge, that is what I try to collect from insiders like you Steve, Marcin Pyco, and a handful of others that had their boots on the ground and were directly involved and KNOW the facts, rather then made up history found in google searches or code in a repo. Who says that everything was documented or went into a repo? That is why people like Steve are so valuable in history.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I can also put A and B together.</div><div><br></div><div>At any rate, this is all moot but I really enjoy the debate and conversation with legends of the Asterisk/Zapata Projects. It reminds me of sitting around talking with people at Astricon. </div>
<div><br></div><div>App_rpt is out and there are many reasons why. Steve can appreciate not signing over his work to Digium and so can MANY other coders.</div><div><br></div><div>I think a real record should be made. Maybe someone can chime in with the exact details of the origins of Asterisk, nobody who is going to be in business long starts out by "Writing their Own Phone System" from scratch. It is horse pucky, a pure PR move and a sweet little story that I have heard so many times and was spammed with a couple of days ago.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Did Adtran or Adtran employees provide Angle VC? I have been told by a credible source that the VC came from Mark's Parents and from Adtran by way of some kind of proxy.</div><div><br></div><div>I know, I want to start a business providing service for cars, I better build a car from scratch because they cost $20-$30k and I need it to do business. I don't have that kind of money so I am off to building one from re-inventing the wheel and the combustion engine, and all other parts.</div>
<div><br></div><div>See how ridiculous it sounds.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Steve Totaro </div></div>