No wonder, that crappy email got me 4 genuine leads.You need to find a new forum, where you can let your burst out.<br>This is a professional forum, not a place where you publicly come and make fun of others.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:47:32 -0400<br>
From: Alex Balashov <<a href="mailto:abalashov@evaristesys.com">abalashov@evaristesys.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] asterisk-biz Digest, Vol 68, Issue 53<br>
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On 03/31/2010 11:01 AM, Nauman Ibrahim wrote:<br>
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> I appreciate you all coming up to this forum and speaking on behalf of<br>
> me.<br>
<br>
In all fairness, nobody was speaking on behalf of you. You sent out a<br>
crappy e-mail, I made fun of you, and all this provided fodder for an<br>
interesting tangent.<br>
<br>
> Actually I kept myself quiet, thinking whether it would be<br>
> appropriate to come forward and say something to Mr.Alex the so called<br>
> self proclaimed lingo genius<br>
<br>
When did I proclaim this?<br>
<br>
> clients who were not interested in how i was talking or<br>
> writing but rather what I was presenting to them and in what manner.<br>
<br>
East meets West. :-) My turn to say, "welcome to the new global market."<br>
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> A good example is to look at Japanese or Chinese. If you wanna do<br>
> business with them they do not communicate in written or spoken<br>
> English.So take the hint.<br>
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I imagine they communicate in Japanese or Chinese. What is the hint?<br>
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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:50:10 -0400<br>
From: Alex Balashov <<a href="mailto:abalashov@evaristesys.com">abalashov@evaristesys.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] OpenSIPS Bootcamp (Daniel-Constantin<br>
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Flavio,<br>
<br>
Both projects arise from OpenSER, and OpenSIPS does not have the right<br>
to claim inheritance to the mantle of OpenSER categorically and<br>
exclusively.<br>
<br>
Chronologically, Daniel's statement is factual. The OpenSER project<br>
was renamed to Kamailio in August 2008 several days before the<br>
OpenSIPS fork from it was announced.<br>
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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 12:29:58 -0400<br>
From: Yaro Donchenko <<a href="mailto:yaro@ovetel.com">yaro@ovetel.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Bandwidth.com Sales Contact<br>
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Go with Broadvox<br>
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Subject: [asterisk-biz] Bandwidth.com Sales Contact<br>
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I had a short burst of communication with someone at <a href="http://bandwidth.com" target="_blank">bandwidth.com</a> about 2<br>
weeks ago, signed an NDA, got pricing, and now haven't heard back from<br>
them in 2 weeks after a few subsequent calls and emails.<br>
<br>
I also called their 800 number twice today, but got voicemail both times<br>
when trying to get to the Sales department.<br>
<br>
Anyone know if there is some sort of problem there? Anyone have a better<br>
more reliable contact there? I'd like to get an account, but it is<br>
proving to be difficult, which worries me.<br>
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Beckman<br>
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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 18:30:35 +0200<br>
From: Daniel-Constantin Mierla <<a href="mailto:miconda@gmail.com">miconda@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] OpenSIPS Bootcamp<br>
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Hi Flavio,<br>
<br>
On 3/31/10 4:13 PM, Flavio Goncalves wrote:<br>
> Hi Daniel,<br>
> I really didn?t want to get into the politics about OpenSIPS versus<br>
> Kamailio(Siprouter or whatever you have named in the last two years)<br>
> and this does not seem to be the right place, but I?m obligated to<br>
> answer your post. In the first place, try <a href="http://www.openser.org" target="_blank">http://www.openser.org</a><br>
> <<a href="http://www.openser.org/" target="_blank">http://www.openser.org/</a>>.<br>
since you promote this as "former OpenSER" I expect you have more<br>
knowledge about it and you know what you are doing training about. I saw<br>
you are now entitled yourself as co-founder of opensips software<br>
foundation, therefore I assume you are aware of what you got in. Or is<br>
just mania about titles ...<br>
<br>
Pointing a domain is useless, openser is an application, and the<br>
application is about source code. Regarding domains, just try<br>
<a href="http://www.openser-project.org" target="_blank">http://www.openser-project.org</a>, <a href="http://www.openser.com" target="_blank">http://www.openser.com</a> and<br>
<a href="http://www.openser.net" target="_blank">http://www.openser.net</a>.<br>
<br>
The source code was in a single place since 2005 to march 2009,<br>
<a href="http://sourceforge.net" target="_blank">sourceforge.net</a> openser project. Period.<br>
<br>
> In the second place, the ownership of sourceforge does not entitle you<br>
> as the owner of the name or the project.<br>
<br>
Well, as you contributed nothing in terms of code, money and time to<br>
bring openser at this stage, but now you use its name for own financial<br>
reasons, it is in the open source spirit that you should give the proper<br>
credits and try to figure out the truth and present it correctly. It is<br>
not only me that contributed there, you will see that apart of the three<br>
developers that created the fork, all the openser developers are still<br>
with kamailio, they dedicated time and resources for many years and now<br>
you simply trash them.<br>
<br>
<br>
> Do you have the trademark of OpenSER? I don't think so. The<br>
> information I have from the OpenSIPS project is below -<br>
> <a href="http://www.opensips.org/Main/About" target="_blank">http://www.opensips.org/Main/About</a>.<br>
><br>
> "*/OpenSIPS/* <<a href="http://www.opensips.org/" target="_blank">http://www.opensips.org/</a>>/ is the new name for the<br>
> /*/OpenSER/* <<a href="http://www.openser.org/" target="_blank">http://www.openser.org/</a>>/ project. /<br>
><br>
> /Voice System/ <<a href="http://www.voice-system.ro/" target="_blank">http://www.voice-system.ro/</a>>/ (your former company)/<br>
><br>
<br>
If you talk about Voice Sistem SRL, company created in 2004, then I<br>
still own 50% of the shares (since end of 2005 when I got them) and it<br>
is not behind opensips at all. You may have been misled somehow and you<br>
work with Voice Systems Solutions created in 2008. None of the<br>
developers you see at opensips can be employed by Voice Sistem SRL, that<br>
company does not have a legal representative, so it cannot act in any<br>
business relationship for at least past two years. If you or someone<br>
else did it, then it is a scam and may end in other troubles. You can<br>
address any EU country Registry of Commerce to learn more about<br>
companies in EU space - in this way you are sure your business relations<br>
are legal.<br>
<br>
> / started the *OpenSER* project back in 2005/<br>
><br>
<br>
This is where your project has to agree. OpenSER was started by three<br>
people, one of them being employed by Siemens in Germany at that time<br>
(with kamailio now), another being myself (and I was not employed by<br>
anybody when I registered openser to <a href="http://sourceforge.net" target="_blank">sourceforge.net</a>) and the other that<br>
did the fork.<br>
<br>
Check this one, they filtered better the fuzz create by some:<br>
<br>
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenSER" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenSER</a><br>
<br>
The Voice Systems Solutions company couldn't start openser because it<br>
didn't exist when the project started in 2005.<br>
<br>
On the other hand you say opensips is continuation of openser, but on<br>
the web there is "only one founder" of opensips project. Shouldn't be three?<br>
<br>
> / and strongly supported it since then - like man power, organizing<br>
> and sponsoring events, developing and overviewing the development and<br>
> sustaining the projects. In 2008, due some Trademark issues over the<br>
> name, the project had to go for the new name - and *OpenSIPS* is the<br>
> new name of the project. //Voice System/<br>
> <<a href="http://www.voice-system.ro/" target="_blank">http://www.voice-system.ro/</a>>/ team has strongly contributed to the<br>
> generic effort of migrating to the new name - SVN, web site,<br>
> documentation, etc./ "<br>
><br>
> If you don't agree and want to keep this discussion, I will suggest<br>
> that, you and your old partner talk about this and decide a mutual<br>
> agreed policy about the old name in a proper place. I write books and<br>
> training courseware, I'm not an actual or former employee or<br>
> co-owner of Voice-System. I did not fork, renamed or kicked out<br>
> developers of any sourceforge project.<br>
><br>
<br>
Nobody was kicked from anywhere, from where did you get this? The only<br>
action taken when the fork was discovered (few hours before<br>
announcement) was to restrict admin rights (which meant only no longer<br>
ability to add/remove developers from project) - developer rights,<br>
tracker, user access, everything else was not touched. If others retired<br>
by free willing over the time, it was by their wish.<br>
<br>
I think you in opensips have something to clarify, check this email<br>
which was the announcement of opensips as new project:<br>
<br>
<a href="http://lists.openser-project.org/pipermail/users/2008-August/018793.html" target="_blank">http://lists.openser-project.org/pipermail/users/2008-August/018793.html</a><br>
<br>
Then who was announcing openser renaming to kamailio?<br>
<br>
<a href="http://lists.openser-project.org/pipermail/users/2008-July/018681.html" target="_blank">http://lists.openser-project.org/pipermail/users/2008-July/018681.html</a><br>
<br>
In which project are the two now? So don't tell me about changing names<br>
and minds... I do not need to abuse the work of others and project names<br>
for self promoting. Kamailio got best of open source software awards in<br>
2009, even without forking developers, and it is not my price as<br>
co-founder, but the reward to entire devel and community team.<br>
<br>
Some people in your project cannot keep a direction from one day to<br>
another. You can try to spread FUD as much as you want regarding the<br>
names. It is only Kamailio since July 2008, SIP-Router.org is the<br>
development portal as SourceForge, that provides GIT repository and<br>
helped to merge Kamailio and SIP Express Router (SER) source trees so<br>
they share same C code now, making straightforward usage of extensions<br>
from both projects.<br>
<br>
So refrain to make statements and induce confusion about namings, again,<br>
either you are not well informed or you do it on purpose for your own<br>
reasons. You are smart enough to figure out in half an hour of reading...<br>
<br>
<br>
> I'm only posting some information about a training we will have in<br>
> April and this is the information I have.<br>
><br>
<br>
Yes, I am sure it is the only information you had, if so then here are<br>
my apologizes. Hopefully next time you do it properly and do not spread<br>
information which is not accurate. I think I helped everybody that tried<br>
to contribute to openser project, including you, reviewing your book.<br>
But when people try sneaky things and fairness is forgotten, it must be<br>
reacted.<br>
<br>
My apologizes for people on this list for diverting from its purpose,<br>
but in open source I think is important to keep the truth sane. I am<br>
stopping here in this thread, no matter other replies will come,<br>
everybody reading has enough leads and are smart to figure out more by<br>
themselves.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Daniel<br>
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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 12:36:23 -0400<br>
From: Fred Posner <<a href="mailto:fred@teamforrest.com">fred@teamforrest.com</a>><br>
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On Mar 31, 2010, at 12:29 PM, Yaro Donchenko wrote:<br>
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> Go with Broadvox<br>
><br>
> Best Regards<br>
> Yaro Donchenko<br>
> VP of Business Development<br>
> OVE Telecom LLC<br>
> Work: +1.212.401.0707 ext 107<br>
> Mobile: +1.917.267.9276<br>
> <a href="http://www.ovetelecom.com" target="_blank">www.ovetelecom.com</a><br>
> Yahoo: ovetelecom<br>
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> -----Original Message-----<br>
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> [mailto:<a href="mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com">asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com</a>] On Behalf Of Peter Beckman<br>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 3:06 PM<br>
> To: Asterisk-Biz List<br>
> Subject: [asterisk-biz] Bandwidth.com Sales Contact<br>
><br>
> I had a short burst of communication with someone at <a href="http://bandwidth.com" target="_blank">bandwidth.com</a> about 2<br>
> weeks ago, signed an NDA, got pricing, and now haven't heard back from<br>
> them in 2 weeks after a few subsequent calls and emails.<br>
><br>
> I also called their 800 number twice today, but got voicemail both times<br>
> when trying to get to the Sales department.<br>
><br>
> Anyone know if there is some sort of problem there? Anyone have a better<br>
> more reliable contact there? I'd like to get an account, but it is<br>
> proving to be difficult, which worries me.<br>
><br>
> Beckman<br>
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