Hi Dennis, first I am sorry to hear your bad news, but i can give you some suggestion, most of business men are trust parterns, only very little are frauds, yes, sometimes, it is very difficult to find out who is sincerely and who is not, but you can test them from a very small order starting after you have dealt many many small business succesfully, then start big orders or stop contact with them.<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">2009/11/2 <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:info@dialontel.com">info@dialontel.com</a>></span><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">
<div><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">
<div>Hi Andy and Everyone in this Forum,</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Of course Andy we are very Angry. Last Year in total we lost over 30K USD and Asia Telecom and BroadTelephone 3K USD invoice is part of it. This has effect our business process to do much more verification in giving post pay/prepay and it has become almost impossible find out who is geniune and who is not.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Even though These two companies are registered in UK and USA its managed and owned by Pakistan guys (nothing personal to Pakistanies) so my point is we can not judge a company from where it is registered.</div>
<div> </div>
<div> </div>
<div> So I bilieve most effective way to minimize frauds is to keep close contact with trusted partners and their frauds, so you can keep away from frauds.</div>
<div> </div>
<div> </div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Dennis S.</div>
<div>DialOnTel Team </div>
<div><a href="http://www.dialontel/" target="_blank"></a> </div>
<div> </div>
<div> </div>
<blockquote style="PADDING-LEFT: 8px; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 8px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: verdana">
<div>
<div>
<div></div>
<div class="h5">-------- Original Message --------<br>Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] India VoIP termination - FRAUD- BE Careful<br>From: Andy Spring <<a href="mailto:andyspr@gmail.com" target="_blank">andyspr@gmail.com</a>><br>
Date: Sun, November 01, 2009 5:15 am<br>To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion<br><<a href="mailto:asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com" target="_blank">asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com</a>><br><br><img style="MARGIN: 0px 0.2ex; VERTICAL-ALIGN: middle" height="15" src="cid:360@goomoji.gmail" width="12" goomoji="360"><img style="MARGIN: 0px 0.2ex; VERTICAL-ALIGN: middle" height="15" src="cid:360@goomoji.gmail" width="12" goomoji="360"><img style="MARGIN: 0px 0.2ex; VERTICAL-ALIGN: middle" height="15" src="cid:360@goomoji.gmail" width="12" goomoji="360"> Haha... Maybe Dennis is very angry with them, but what make me suprised is that the frauds are from UK and USA, whose reputation are good and they also think themselves come with good reputation, but also rubbish <img style="MARGIN: 0px 0.2ex; VERTICAL-ALIGN: middle" height="15" src="cid:360@goomoji.gmail" width="12" goomoji="360"><img style="MARGIN: 0px 0.2ex; VERTICAL-ALIGN: middle" height="15" src="cid:360@goomoji.gmail" width="12" goomoji="360"><img style="MARGIN: 0px 0.2ex; VERTICAL-ALIGN: middle" height="15" src="cid:360@goomoji.gmail" width="12" goomoji="360"><br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">2009/10/31 <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:info@dialontel.com" target="_blank">info@dialontel.com</a>></span><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">
<div><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">
<div>Hi All,</div>
<div> </div>
<div>DO NOT sell any minutes to BroadTelepone or AsiaTelecom. They have a pending invoice to us for last 8 months 3000 USD. Our company name is DialOnTel. we were seling India to them. These companies are fraud based in UK and USA. AsiaTelecom UK is currently on liquadation.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Sikander - Director, Faruk -Tech guy never response to our calls or emails. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>DO NOT Give post pay to them.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>My name is Dennis from DialOnTel.</div>
<div><a href="mailto:dennis@dialontel.com" target="_blank">dennis@dialontel.com</a></div>
<div><a href="mailto:info@dialontel.com" target="_blank">info@dialontel.com</a></div>
<div> </div>
<div>Sikander if you see this email you are most welcome to contact me as you never response to our emials or calls.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>DialOnTel Team</div>
<div> </div>
<blockquote style="PADDING-LEFT: 8px; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 8px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: verdana">
<div>-------- Original Message --------<br>Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] India VoIP termination<br>From: Sikander Saeed <<a href="mailto:sikander@asiatele.net" target="_blank">sikander@asiatele.net</a>><br>Date: Fri, October 30, 2009 4:04 pm<br>
To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion<br><<a href="mailto:asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com" target="_blank">asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com</a>><br><br>BroadTelephone is based in USA and involve in wholesale and retail VoIP services in USA, Canada and UK since last decade. We are looking for quality route to India. Our targets are:<br>
<br>India 919 mobile $0.0110<br>India 9194 $0.0125<br>India ROC 91 $0.0150<br>India Cities $0.0130<br><br>Our daily traffic is about 25,000 minutes per day. Please let us know if you can provide such service.<br>
<br>Sikander Saeed<br>BroadTelephone, Inc.<br><a href="http://www.broadtelephone.com/" target="_blank">www.broadtelephone.com</a><br><br><br>Mitul Limbani wrote:
<blockquote style="PADDING-LEFT: 8px; MARGIN-LEFT: 8px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid" type="cite"><pre>Brian,
So if I m correct this would be a one of retail customer who needs to
call their indian partner company?
Please email me in a bit more detail off the list, coz we have helped
several US based companies optimize their communication cost to their
indian counter part or indian offshore units.
And I think we can help your customer too.
Thanks & Regards,
Mitul Limbani,
Founder & CEO,
Enterux Solutions Pvt. Ltd.,
The Enterprise Linux Company (r),
<a href="http://www.enterux.com/" target="_blank">http://www.enterux.com</a>
<a href="http://www.entvoice.com/" target="_blank">http://www.entVoice.com</a>
On 27-Oct-2009, at 7:30 AM, "Brian Franklin" <a href="mailto:bfranklin@ntginc.net" target="_blank"><bfranklin@ntginc.net></a>
wrote:
</pre>
<blockquote style="PADDING-LEFT: 8px; MARGIN-LEFT: 8px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid" type="cite"><pre>I have an executive that needs low cost minutes to a partner firm in
India. Clear calls and low cost is the primary concern.
Brian
-----Original Message-----
From: <a href="mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com" target="_blank">asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com</a>
[<a href="mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com" target="_blank">mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com</a>] On Behalf Of mtlvoip
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 8:48 PM
To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] USA to India
with what kind of features and in which level of price are your
looking
for?
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Brian Franklin" <a href="mailto:bfranklin@ntginc.net" target="_blank"><bfranklin@ntginc.net></a>
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 9:32 PM
To: "Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion"
<a href="mailto:asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com" target="_blank"><asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com></a>
Subject: [asterisk-biz] USA to India
</pre>
<blockquote style="PADDING-LEFT: 8px; MARGIN-LEFT: 8px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid" type="cite"><pre>Looking for quality international SIP termination...particularly to
India.
Any suggestions?
_______________________________________________
--Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by <a href="http://www.api-digital.com/" target="_blank">http://www.api-digital.com</a>--
asterisk-biz mailing list
To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit:
<a href="http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz" target="_blank">http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz</a>
</pre></blockquote><pre>_______________________________________________
--Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by <a href="http://www.api-digital.com/" target="_blank">http://www.api-digital.com</a>--
asterisk-biz mailing list
To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit:
<a href="http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz" target="_blank">http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz</a>
_______________________________________________
--Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by <a href="http://www.api-digital.com/" target="_blank">http://www.api-digital.com</a>--
asterisk-biz mailing list
To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit:
<a href="http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz" target="_blank">http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz</a>
</pre></blockquote><pre>_______________________________________________
--Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by <a href="http://www.api-digital.com/" target="_blank">http://www.api-digital.com</a>--
asterisk-biz mailing list
To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit:
<a href="http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz" target="_blank">http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz</a>
</pre></blockquote>
<hr>
_______________________________________________<br>--Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by <a href="http://www.api-digital.com--/" target="_blank">http://www.api-digital.com--</a><br><br>asterisk-biz mailing list<br>To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit:<br>
<a href="http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz" target="_blank">http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz</a> </div></blockquote></span></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>
--Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by <a href="http://www.api-digital.com--/" target="_blank">http://www.api-digital.com--</a><br><br>asterisk-biz mailing list<br>To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit:<br> <a href="http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz" target="_blank">http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz</a><br>
</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>andy<br><a href="mailto:andyspr@gmail.com" target="_blank">andyspr@gmail.com</a><br></div></div>
<hr>
<div class="im">_______________________________________________<br>--Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by <a href="http://www.api-digital.com--/" target="_blank">http://www.api-digital.com--</a><br><br>asterisk-biz mailing list<br>
To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit:<br><a href="http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz" target="_blank">http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz</a> </div></div></blockquote></span></div><br>
_______________________________________________<br>--Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by <a href="http://www.api-digital.com--/" target="_blank">http://www.api-digital.com--</a><br><br>asterisk-biz mailing list<br>To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit:<br>
<a href="http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz" target="_blank">http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz</a><br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>andy<br><a href="mailto:andyspr@gmail.com">andyspr@gmail.com</a><br>