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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Hey yeah,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Asterisk created that problem making it easy for john smith (
aka anyone) , as most abusers, to pose as residential unlimited and WACK it
trough their business trunk, even caught 4 guys yet grouping 4 accounts to pull
8 channels 24/7<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Hence why some ( like us) put a reasonable cap ( based upon avg
of residential usage minutes) to the account, but we are open about it, and say
so on the plan page.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Unlike vonage who say unlimited and then shut accounts down.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>But then again vonage is in this biz to show clients on paper,
not to offer service, it’s all about what investors see and hear, and
believe me , if any one of them would spend 1 days at vonage tech support they
would sell all they have and run as fast as they could ..<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>M<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com
[mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>C.
Savinovich<br>
<b>Sent:</b> April-20-09 6:54 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [asterisk-biz] FW: "illusory" terms of service<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Yeah, I look forward for the day companies that offer
“Unlimited” termination service per month begin to have their
service categorized as “Illusory” service. That would be
sweet (and just).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>CS<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com
[mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dean Collins<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 20, 2009 10:52 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [asterisk-biz] FW: "illusory" terms of service<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>While not restricted to online websites I’m wondering if
some of the people on this list running USA based ITSP’s could be
affected by this court case.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Regards,</span><span
lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Dean
Collins<br>
</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>Cognation Inc<br>
</span><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'><a href="mailto:dean@cognation.net"
title="blocked::mailto:dean@cognation.net mailto:dean@cognation.net"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>dean@cognation.net</span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><br>
</span></a></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>+1-212-203-4357 </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><ns0:State
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+61-2-9016-5642 (</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><ns0:City
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w:insAuthor="Dean Collins" w:insDate="2009-04-20T10:49:00Z"
w:endInsAuthor="Dean Collins" w:endInsDate="2009-04-20T10:49:00Z"><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>Sydney</span><span class=msoIns><ins cite="mailto:Dean%20Collins"
datetime="2009-04-20T10:49"></ns0:place></ins></span></ns0:City></ns0:place></ns0:City></span><span
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in-dial).<br>
+44-20-3129-6001 (</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><ns0:City
w:insAuthor="Dean Collins" w:insDate="2009-04-20T10:49:00Z"
w:endInsAuthor="Dean Collins" w:endInsDate="2009-04-20T10:49:00Z"><ns0:place
w:insAuthor="Dean Collins" w:insDate="2009-04-20T10:49:00Z"
w:endInsAuthor="Dean Collins" w:endInsDate="2009-04-20T10:49:00Z"><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>London</span><span class=msoIns><ins cite="mailto:Dean%20Collins"
datetime="2009-04-20T10:49"></ns0:place></ins></span></ns0:City></span><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>
in-dial).</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Dean Collins <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 20, 2009 10:45 AM<br>
<b>Subject:</b> "illusory" terms of service</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>First posted at: </span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><a
href="http://deancollinsblog.blogspot.com/2009/04/illusory-terms-of-service.html">http://deancollinsblog.blogspot.com/2009/04/illusory-terms-of-service.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<h3><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#CCCCCC'><o:p> </o:p></span></h3>
<h3><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black;font-weight:normal'><o:p> </o:p></span></h3>
<h3><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#CCCCCC'><a
href="http://deancollinsblog.blogspot.com/2009/04/illusory-terms-of-service.html">"Illusory"
terms of service</a> <o:p></o:p></span></h3>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US
style='color:black'>Wow I’m not sure how many people caught this or
understood the ramifications of it.<br>
<br>
I’m trying to do some additional research to find out what this means but
this ruling at </span><span lang=EN-US style='color:blue'><a
href="http://www.mediapost.com/publications/?fa=Articles.showArticle&art_aid=104357">MediaPost.com</a></span><span
lang=EN-US style='color:black'> this morning caught my eye.<br>
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<br>
</span><em><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Lynn
determined that Blockbuster's contract with users was "illusory"
because the agreement said that movie rental store could change the terms and
conditions at any time.</span></em><i><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'><br>
<em>A Blockbuster spokesperson declined to comment on the case or state whether
the company will appeal. </em></span></i><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'><br>
<br>
</span><em><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>The decision
is a blow to Blockbuster because individual consumers would have had a
difficult time bringing cases one-by-one against the company. But the decision
paves the way for attorneys to argue that all consumers affected by
Blockbuster's participation in Beacon should be able to proceed as a class. </span></em><span
lang=EN-US style='color:black'><br>
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</span><em><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Internet law
expert Venkat Balasubramani said Lynn's decision invalidating Blockbuster's
user agreement was potentially far-reaching because many Web companies reserve
the right to make changes to their terms of service. "It seems broad and
could have impact on the terms of service used by a lot of different
companies," he said.</span></em><i><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'><br>
</span></i><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'><br>
<br>
I’m fairly sure this has to be appealed as couldn’t this throw a
lot of User Agreements out the window? (I know it would affect my agreement at </span><span
lang=EN-US style='color:blue'><a href="http://www.livebaseballchat.com/">www.LiveBaseballChat.com</a></span><span
lang=EN-US style='color:black'> out the window).<br>
<br>
Any thoughts about how this affects your business? Post below.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Regards,</span><span
lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Dean
Collins<br>
</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>Cognation Inc<br>
</span><span lang=EN-US><a href="mailto:dean@cognation.net"
title="blocked::mailto:dean@cognation.net mailto:dean@cognation.net"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>dean@cognation.net</span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><br>
</span></a></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>+1-212-203-4357 New York<br>
+61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial).<br>
+44-20-3129-6001 (London in-dial).</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:
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