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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I think it’s time to ‘ping’ John Todd and
Digium on this topic again.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>What happened Digium?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Why did you say you were going to take this project on but
have not come back to the community with an answer yet?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Dean Collins <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, 4 May 2008 3:45 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Asterisk 3rd party
developed commercial software sales licensing platform</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Hi Randy,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>As discussed on Friday the 9<sup>th</sup> of May I would
like to host the Voip Users Conference Call.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>The purpose of this call is to discuss the
community’s feelings about an Asterisk 3rd party developed commercial
software sales licensing platform.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>The plan is that some form of documented
published schema be implemented that will allow for 3rd party software
developers to sell their software applications using a common licensing model
similar to the way G729 licenses are sold by Digium. <o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Basically this discussion came about for a 3rd party
ecosystem question a few weeks ago when Cory Andrews from VoIP supply was on
the Voip-Users conference call.<br>
<br>
I asked the question - how much of VoIP Supply revenue is product<b><i><font
color=black><span style='color:black;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'> </span></font></i></b><font
color=black><span style='color:black'>hardware </span></font>versus
applications - he said we don’t sell any services such as ITSP hosted
Asterisk so I replied that wasn't what I was thinking of and gave the example
of Snap Dialer which is a low cost (I paid $20 for it) application which allows
me to dial names from Outlook.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>He said they didn’t sell any
applications like this at all but would consider selling them if this was an
opportunity presented to him.<br>
<br>
I then talked about some of the consulting I did for Salesforce.com and how
they have built an entire ecosystem of third party applications all built by
other people apart from salesforce.com but utilizing the documented API's and
application security /licensing etc.<br>
<br>
My comments were that although Asterisk should always remain a free open source
application that developers need to eat and pay rent as well.<br>
<br>
If there was some common marketplace that developers could sell small - low
cost third party applications to the Asterisk community that Digium had some
type of overview/management control over who listed etc that this would deliver
a stream of revenue that would encourage further application development.<br>
<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>The question I then posed to the group was if
anyone knew how Digium managed the sale and licensing of the G729 codes.<br>
And if this was an open published standard that could it be used as the basis
for the Asterisk ecosystem license model.</span></b><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Now I know it's not perfect and can be hacked but everything
can be hacked. The idea is to build apps cheap enough that it's not worth the
effort of hacking. If anyone has some alternative suggestions on how apps
should be licensed we’d like to hear them this Friday.<br>
<br>
I know there were discussions in the early days of<b><i><font color=black><span
style='color:black;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'> </span></font></i></b><font
color=black><span style='color:black'>the </span></font>Mexuar launch about how
they could license a single channel of the Mexuar Corraleta application rather
than the entire server license for $2000. The issue always came down to how we
could license it to 1/ a single channel license. 2/ tied to a single machine
and not transferable (currently the Mexuar license is hard coded in the
application to the servers IP address).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I know for me personally although I have donated to numerous
bounty requests (I even tried to get one developed for video conferencing a few
years ago that was around the $10,000 range) I haven’t seen the ongoing
continual development that would benefit the Asterisk community.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I personally would be more than
happy to pay for ‘the next generation of FOP’, it was a great
application when launched but there is a lot more it could be offering.</span></font>
<font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I’d also like to
implement a far smarter ‘user dashboard’ similar to what Druid
are developing.</span></font> <font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
</ul>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<ul style='margin-top:0cm' type=disc>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Now I no longer work for <font
color=black><span style='color:black'>Mexuar</span></font> and don’t
have access to it anymore I’d also like to pay for a single channel
Mexuar license rather than using ‘lesser quality’ experiences
by other solutions.</span></font> <font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Drawing on my own now defunct
project – is the Asterisk user community now ready for centrally
provided services such as the ‘off-deck processing’ like the
Tellme Speech Recognition Service <a
href="http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Tellme">http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Tellme</a>
. As demonstrated by Amazon EC2 / S3 web services I’m a huge fan of
cloud computing off-deck processing, Should these style services also be
able to take advantage of an Asterisk 3<sup>rd</sup> party ecosystem
licensing model.</span></font> <font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
</ul>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>So the suggested topics to cover this
Friday (9<sup>th</sup> of<i><font color=black><span style='color:black;
font-style:italic'> </span></font></i><font color=black><span style='color:
black'>M</span></font>ay at 12pm est <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:country-region
w:st="on">usa</st1:country-region></st1:place>) is this;<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
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font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>1/ Should commercial software applications
like SNAP Dialer even be encouraged for the Asterisk community – or is
this the slippery slope?<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>2/ Should this license schema model be
centrally managed by Digium – what are the alternatives?<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>3/ Is a centrally managed approval process
like Salesforce.com/ i-tunes appropriate for the Asterisk user community or
should it just be a ‘published document<font color=black><span
style='color:black'> schema</span></font>’ but all sales are handled by
each individual company (separate sales is my preference but it should be at
least discussed).<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>4/ Is the G729 model an appropriate
solution (my understanding is it is tied to NIC addresses) – are there
alternatives that should be considered instead, what are the limitations of NIC
licensing over server IP address etc, how does this affect client applications
running on ‘client’ machines.<font color=black><span
style='color:black'> Hopefully someone from Digium will join us on the call to
explain how the G729 license system works.</span></font><o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>5/ What type of applications would you like
to see licensed via this 3<sup>rd</sup> party ecosystem model.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>6/ What do we do from here? <br>
Is this something Digium should be developing internally and present to the
Asterisk community as a ‘suggested working model’?<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Is this something that can be developed by
the community and presented to Digium for their approval and adoption?<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Who on this call
wants to be involved and what do you want to do from here?<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Please understand that I’m interested in initiating
these discussions just as an Asterisk user. Neither I nor Cognation Pty Ltd
have any commercial interests in 1/ running this ecosystem 2/ consulting to or
making any commercial benefit in driving this project forward. It’s
really come about as I as an Asterisk end user would like to see more funds
being made available for Asterisk application developers so we can continue to build
the greatest voip technology in the world and while it’s pretty cool now
I feel that ongoing application development isn’t occurring as fast as it
should be.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>This call will begin at 12pm est <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:country-region
w:st="on">usa</st1:country-region></st1:place> time – for those of you
who have not dialed in before the details are below.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Talkshoe Web page details: <a
href="http://www.talkshoe.com/tc/22622">http://www.talkshoe.com/tc/22622</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
font-weight:bold'>PSTN: <st2:dial w:st="on">(724) 444-7444</st2:dial>
Call ID: 22622 </span></font></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><br>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>SIP: exten => 1234, 1,Dial(SIP/<a
href="http://groups.google.com/groups/unlock?msg=fd25d3dd8a774531&hl=en&_done=/group/VOIP-Users-Conference/browse_thread/thread/6fe7d4af7ecdd996%3Fhl%3Den"
target="_parent">...</a>@66.212.134.192, 60, D(22622# ${MY_PIN} #) ) </span></b><br>
If you have no PIN use 1# instead. (remove any spaces in the line above) <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>IRC:
Follow chatter or ask questions on<b><span style='font-weight:bold'> IRC on
Freenode.net #voip-users-conference</span></b> <br>
RSS: <a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/AstUser" target="_blank">http://feeds.feedburner.com/AstUser</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>INFO:
<br>
<a href="http://www.VoipUsersConference.org" target="_blank">http://www.VoipUsersConference.org</a>
<br>
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<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>For those of you who have never participated before make
this your chance to get involved, download the talkshoe chat application in
advance or even better go and listen to some of the previous 80 calls archived
in mp3 format here <a href="http://www.talkshoe.com/tc/22622">http://www.talkshoe.com/tc/22622</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Regards, <br>
<br>
Dean Collins<br>
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Cognation Limited<br>
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w:st="on">Sydney</st1:City></st1:place> indial)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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