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sam,<br>
thanks for the note. your are right, the key is to have good codec,
bandwidth, and routing with no packet loss... still a tall order over
inet.<br>
daveC<br>
<br>
<br>
Sam Tam wrote:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Hello Dave,<br>
<br>
In VoIP I can actually you tell that 100ms of delay is nothing even
200ms is
quite acceptable. As long as you are using a good codec ie ulaw / alaw
+ have sufficient
bandwidth + no pocket loss and etc. then you can still achieve high
quality
calls out of it.<br>
<br>
You see if you dial a international number like oversea call with your
local
PSTN provider, you will not notice much decrease in quality even though
the other
side of the person may be somewhere half way around the world..<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Sam <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; color: windowtext;">
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com">asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com">mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com</a>] <b><span
style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </span></b>dave cantera<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Saturday,
February 16, 2008
7:09 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion</st1:PersonName>;
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:m345@netvision.net.il">m345@netvision.net.il</a>; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nk3569@yahoo.com">nk3569@yahoo.com</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re:
[asterisk-biz] VoIP
Provider Matrix of rates/services</span></font><font color="black"><span
style="color: windowtext;"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">moshe, nitzan,<br>
thanks for the comments... didn't think it even possible with up to
200ms
delay. yes, there are many factors in quality of
call... I guess that is why I wanted to nail down the quality
parameters so I knew what to ask for in a provider but at a deeper
level.... perhaps it is too complicated an issue to address
right now with the fact being that your voice packets can transverse
the
country of origin a few times and hit multiple providers before it gets
to the
PSTN. guess I'll have to wait for a more complete matrix and target on
rates only right now.<br>
thanks for your input.<br>
daveC<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Moshe Maeir wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<pre wrap=""><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">Actually in the countries I work in (we have servers in 3 countries, <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">including the one you mention) the norm is 8ms - 20ms. However<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">we do have customers farther away and they go up to 200 and sometimes <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">even more.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">All I am saying is that latency is only one factor, and there are others <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">such as packet loss, jitter etc.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">Not to mention termination where results can be all over the ballpark no <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">matter how close "your provider" is to you...<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">Nitzan Kon wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
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<pre wrap=""><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">In your country, the current norm is probably around 200 ms. But since<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">that is the case, I imagine ISPs are more dedicated to eliminating lost<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">packets, etc. so the service does not suffer except for (very) slight<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">delays. Last time I spoke to my father (same country) via VoIP, he<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">couldn't notice a delay at all on his side. I noticed it, but it wasn't<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">significant.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">In the <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">US</st1:place></st1:country-region> though- service from a 200 ms provider, or a 40 ms provider,<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">makes a HUGE difference in voice quality, in my experience.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;"> -- Nitzan<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">--- Moshe Maeir <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:m345@netvision.net.il"><m345@netvision.net.il></a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre>
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style="font-size: 10pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">---------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;"> Dave,<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">I can comment on 100ms delay remark, that it is not always true. Wehave<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">call center customers who have 180 - 220ms and are happy.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">There are other factors besides latency which can effect quality, so<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">Ido not completely agree with your comment<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">Moshe<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">dave cantera wrote: moshe, nitzan,<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">I already compiled a list from website info... not totally<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">completethough. all public info w/o calls to providers... <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">really, I wanted the providers to update the matrix themselves over<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">theweb so they could control the information.. the biggest reason I<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">don'tthink they should have a problem with it is they all don't cover<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">theentire world or the <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">US</st1:place></st1:country-region> either. some servers have too much delay,<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">over100ms, so any customers they have outside their 'local network<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">area'would get poor service and they shouldn't want to waste their time<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">ifthey can't provide the service to those customers... knowing that<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">infotidbit saves face and bad will... helps the community too!<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">any additional thoughts?<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">daveC<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">Moshe Maeir wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">The best would be in the spirit of web 2.0 - a list of providers,<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">which would have data, that partially be filled in by the<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">companies(like voip-info has), but also have an active user rating<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">system.Nitzan Kon wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">It is a good idea, and I would love to have a list of<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">wholesaleproviders readily available so I can pick and choose the ones<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">I likemost according to price & support criteria.The problems with this<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">are, well, half the providers I've contacted inthe past request that<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">you sign a non-disclosure agreement, and theother half act like their<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">rates a big secret, and only disclose themupon request. I think this<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">has a lot to do with providers being worriedabout competition, but in<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">the end if you provide overpriced servicewith bad quality/support<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">customers WILL find someone better whether youpublish your rates or<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">not.You could always start a matrix by yourself... the only problem<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">withthis is that you won't be able to publish providers who require<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">anon-disclosure agreement. But then again- 9 times out of 10 those<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">arebad quality and overpriced. I would avoid those anyway despite<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">any(false) promises they might make. -- Nitzan--- dave cantera<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
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href="mailto:david.cantera@iacnet.net"><david.cantera@iacnet.net></a> wrote:--------------------------------- <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">hi,I see frequent questions on the list for voip providers. would<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">itbehelpful to have a voip provider matrix of services? would the voip<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
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style="font-size: 10pt;">_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
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style="font-size: 10pt;">--Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by <a
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style="font-size: 10pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre>
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style="font-size: 10pt;">asterisk-biz mailing list<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
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style="font-size: 10pt;">To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit:<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
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style="font-size: 10pt;"> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz">http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
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style="font-size: 10pt;">_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
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style="font-size: 10pt;">--Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.api-digital.com">http://www.api-digital.com</a>--<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
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style="font-size: 10pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre>
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style="font-size: 10pt;">asterisk-biz mailing list<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit:<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
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style="font-size: 10pt;"> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz">http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
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style="font-size: 10pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre>
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style="font-size: 10pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre>
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style="font-size: 10pt;"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
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style="font-size: 10pt;">My wife's sister is in <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">California</st1:place></st1:State>. <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">I should buy her a Videophone2008!<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
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style="font-size: 10pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">Truly, The Next Best Thing to Being There!<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
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style="font-size: 10pt;">--<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
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style="font-size: 10pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">WorldWideVideoPhones.com<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="#330000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">856.380.0894<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
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style="font-size: 10pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre>
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style="font-size: 10pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre>
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My wife's sister is in California.
I should buy her a Videophone2008!
Truly, The Next Best Thing to Being There!
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WorldWideVideoPhones.com
856.380.0894
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