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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'm a firm believer that Linksys can't do anything
right, other than get bought out by Cisco.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>-----<BR>Mike Hammett<BR>Intelligent Computing Solutions<BR><A
href="http://www.ics-il.com">http://www.ics-il.com</A></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=craig@mytel.net.au href="mailto:craig@mytel.net.au">Craig
Lawrence</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com
href="mailto:asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com">Commercial and Business-Oriented
Asterisk Discussion</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, October 12, 2007 6:52
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [asterisk-biz] Check this
out :(</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Remember that other
company that bought Sipura and released a great lil unit called the
SPA9000. I get regular calls from customers who’ve bought that lil unit
and now use it as a door stopper.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><BR>So if they can’t
get that system right what makes you think M$ can do a better
job?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><STRONG><B><FONT face=Tahoma color=#333333
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #333333; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Craig</SPAN></FONT></B></STRONG><FONT
color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> <A
href="mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com">asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com</A>
[mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>bob murphy<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Friday, 12 October 2007 3:45
AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk
Discussion</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [asterisk-biz] Check this
out :(</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">And let's not forget the Cisco UC500. I attended
an orientation and while it is nice to look at, there's no multi site
interoperability (yeah why destroy call manager and unified messenger
revenue), limited extension support (32) and you can only use Cisco IP
phones. So at 750 to 900 per extension installed, it's no threat to
those of us pursuing 50 to 300 seat enterprises. Up in that space, it's
the usual suspects (Cisco0, Nortel, Shoretel et al) at $1, 000.00 to $1,400.00
per phone installed. Oh and no call center at those prices. We
should all get together and attempt to standardize some pricing models so we
all continue to enjoy healthy profitability. Technology comes and
goes. Integration and implementation expertise is always valuable.
Just wait until it's VOKS! Voice Over Kitchen Sink. Then, my
Friends, we will need to worry. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Bob
Murphy<BR><BR> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=gmailquote><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">On 10/11/07, <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">shadowym</SPAN></B> <<A
href="mailto:shadowym@hotmail.com">shadowym@hotmail.com</A>>
wrote:</SPAN></FONT></SPAN> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I get a kick out of people talking about this product
like they have been<BR>using it for years. There aren't even any
detailed spec's out and nobody <BR>really knows the price. It's
just <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Mark</st1:PersonName>etecture at this point.
The pricing<BR>they have talked about doesn't include the external PSTN
gateway for one<BR>thing and no talk of optional features which they will of
course charge more <BR>for.<BR><BR>And do you really think this thing will
"just work" right out of the box<BR>first revision? Since when has
ANYTHING "just worked" from M$ right out of<BR>the gate or even 2 or 3
revisions later. And we are not talking about some <BR>consumer toy
here. It's a business PBX so the bar is MUCH higher and
the<BR>customer MUCH more discerning.<BR><BR>Actually, I seem to recall the
same sorts of discussions when Linksys was<BR>coming out with their SPA9000
and now here we are and nothing has really <BR>changed. It doesn't
work as well as people thought it would. It is more<BR>expensive
than people thought it would be once you put together all the<BR>pieces and
add all the options. This is Linksys/Cisco which has a lot more
<BR>telecom experience and focus than M$.<BR><BR>-----Original
Message-----<BR>From: Alex Balashov [mailto:<A
href="mailto:abalashov@evaristesys.com">abalashov@evaristesys.com</A>]<BR>Sent:
Thursday, October 11, 2007 2:48 PM <BR>To: <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk
Discussion</st1:PersonName><BR>Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Check this out
:(<BR><BR><BR>Yeah, but it has brand identity and well-defined, ubiquitous
purpose and<BR>performance characteristics. Of course, as you
rightly observe, that can <BR>have nothing to do with intrinsic merit or the
monetisation aspect of<BR>market acceptance (as opposed to the "hype"
aspect).<BR><BR>I would wager there is going to be a lot of noise about
Microsoft<BR>telephony systems in the foreseeable future, due to its ability
to <BR>engineer it. But it seems to me like a very inflexible
small-office<BR>PBX; the moment any kind of sophistication or
polymorphism is required,<BR>it's time to look elsewhere for something
customisable, open-source and <BR>multifarious.<BR><BR>And VoIP is kind of
like that - look at all the things we are doing with<BR>it every day that
extend far, far outside the domain of traditional
PBX<BR>expectations. Customised IVR systems, data acquisition
interfaces, some <BR>degree of carrier network element functionality and
switching,<BR>translation, routing, peering... a lot of the ingenuity of what
is, in the<BR>end, a business-oriented Asterisk PBX system depends on the
ability to<BR>flexibly integrate this type of functionality.<BR><BR>--
Alex<BR><BR>On Thu, 11 Oct 2007, shadowym wrote:<BR><BR>> The Xbox is just
a PC running gaming software for the consumer market.<BR>They<BR>> have
remained committed to it for years and lost a lot of money in the <BR>>
process. Despite what "impression" you may have by all the
advertising<BR>and<BR>> hype, they continue to be spanked by Nintendo which
sells 2 or 3 boxes for<BR>> every one Xbox. Or maybe it's the
Sony or maybe both. Can't remember <BR>which<BR>> but Google
will tell you.<BR>><BR>> The only reason people seem to want it is for
online Halo so it's a one<BR>> trick pony. They just lost a
billion dollars on that massive recall for<BR>> consoles going dead as
well. <BR>><BR>> From: Aleks Clark [mailto:<A
href="mailto:aleks.clark@gmail.com">aleks.clark@gmail.com</A>]<BR>> Sent:
Thursday, October 11, 2007 10:49 AM<BR>> To: <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk
Discussion</st1:PersonName> <BR>> Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Check this
out :(<BR>><BR>> I dunno about the core competency...seems the Xbox is
doing ok :D<BR>> On 10/11/07, Alex Balashov <<A
href="mailto:abalashov@evaristesys.com">abalashov@evaristesys.com </A><BR>>
<mailto:<A
href="mailto:abalashov@evaristesys.com">abalashov@evaristesys.com</A>> >
wrote:<BR>><BR>> Indeed. We should all so be so lucky as to
have an R&D budget 1/128th of<BR>> that size. I've got lots
of stuff I'd like to throw at the wall. I'm <BR>> sure you do
too.<BR>><BR>> On Thu, 11 Oct 2007, shadowym wrote:<BR>><BR>>>
I agree,<BR>>><BR>>> M$ is a blaster company. They
blast the wall with all sorts of stuff to<BR>> see<BR>>> what sticks
and if nothing much happens after a year or two they move on. <BR>>> The
farther away they are from their core competency the less likey
they<BR>>> will remain committed to making a good product and sticking
with it. An<BR>> IP<BR>>> PBX is a LONG ways from their
core compentency. <BR>>><BR>>> -----Original
Message-----<BR>>> From: Alex Balashov [mailto:<A
href="mailto:abalashov@evaristesys.com">abalashov@evaristesys.com</A>]<BR>>>
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 11:28 PM<BR>>> To: <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk
Discussion</st1:PersonName><BR>>> Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Check this
out :(<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> I am not particularly beset with
the impression that the VoIP business <BR>>> community has anything to
fear from this product or the particular<BR>>> vendor's attempt to enter
the space.<BR>>><BR>>> On Mon, 10 Sep 2007, Derrick Moennick
wrote:<BR>>><BR>>>> Looks like just another strong player
entering into the IP telephony <BR>>>> world to make sure the world
goes this route.<BR>>>><BR>>>>
Derrick<BR>>>><BR>>>> -----Original
Message-----<BR>>>> From: <A
href="mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com">asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com</A><BR>>>>
[mailto: <mailto:<A
href="mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com">asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com</A>><BR>>
<A
href="mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com">asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com</A>]
On Behalf Of <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Michael</st1:PersonName>
S.<BR>>>> White<BR>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007
6:57 PM<BR>>>> To: '<st1:PersonName w:st="on">Commercial and
Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion</st1:PersonName>' <BR>>>>
Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Check this out :(<BR>>>><BR>>>>
I noticed this a while back - My thoughts
were.<BR>>>><BR>>>> Hmmm. I'm sure it will only require 3-4
reboots a day! <BR>>>><BR>>>> Mike<BR>>>> <A
href="http://www.8774e4voip.com">http://www.8774e4voip.com</A> <<A
href="http://www.8774e4voip.com/">http://www.8774e4voip.com/</A>><BR>>>><BR>>>>
<BR>>>><BR>>>> Saysan Wrote-<BR>>>> <A
href="http://www.microsoft.com/responsepoint/default.mspx">http://www.microsoft.com/responsepoint/default.mspx</A><BR>>>><BR>>><BR>>>
-- <BR>>> Alex Balashov<BR>>> Evariste Systems<BR>>>
Web : <A
href="http://www.evaristesys.com/">http://www.evaristesys.com/</A><BR>>>
Tel : +1-678-954-0670<BR>>> Direct :
+1-678-954-0671<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>
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