<div>Semantics. Refund is a general term for getting ones money back. A payment via paypal was all that was required. Insisting on using the "Refund" process of Paypal is just another sorry excuse. As far as I can tell you aren't even a Paypal user any more.
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<div>Rationalize all you want, but the fact remains that you are holding the money of a disatisfied customer and aren't returning it. This should be known by any potential customer of your company whether it's $20 or $20,000.
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<div>The ATG has closed their case. You are under no requirement by them. In fact, you never responded to their repeated attempts to discuss the matter. So, why don't you address why you are still holding my money?
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<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 5/8/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Jed Stafford</b> <<a href="mailto:jeds@bluecorporate.com">jeds@bluecorporate.com</a>> wrote:</span>
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<div style="WORD-WRAP: break-word">Seems silly to air your issues here, but since you did. The real facts as stated before are you asked for a refund approx. 9 months after you opened an account. PayPals' policy does not allow for a refund after this period even though we tried to perform it for you to be nice. We opened a ticket with PayPal to see if we could make this happen for you and told you as such and you saw that as some sort of excuse. We repeatedly asked you to provide an address to send a refund check and you did not want to provide one for whatever reason, instead replying with insults on how that equated to further stall tactics. You only provided an address for you 'after' you filed a formal complaint with the ATG, which one negated any favors we wanted do for you, although I still approved it, and two does require us to take a different set of actions to get you a check which we still had planned to do. You continue to misstate the facts and have turned this in to a bigger issue than it needed to be, all you needed to do was provide a simple address vs the legal item it has become.
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<div>On May 8, 2007, at 6:46 AM, Tom Lynn wrote:</div><br>
<blockquote type="cite">John,<br>I was required to deposit $25, the majority of which remains unused, and un-refunded, despite statements from Jed that he would refund my remaining balance.<br><br>After trying to blame paypal for delaying my payment (twice) and then promising to send a check directly to my home I still have nothing.
<br><br>I complained to the Washington State Attorney General's Consumer Affairs Office, which Jed used as a further excuse to not refund my money. He claimed that now that I'd complained, he would have to work solely through the ATG (not true).
<br><br>I'm told their efforts at contacting Sellvoip and Jed were ignored. While they can't take action on my behalf personally, they will take action on behalf of the State of Washington if they receive a pattern of complaints that lead them to believe a business is systematically abusing consumers.
<br><br>If you feel that Sellvoip has done this, I'd encourage you to contact the ATG. This is their website. If enough people complain, the law may take notice.<br><br><a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://www.atg.wa.gov/FileAComplaint.aspx" target="_blank">
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<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 5/8/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">John Scully</b> <<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:jscully@isipi.com" target="_blank">jscully@isipi.com</a>> wrote:
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">If it does not violate any NDAs, may I ask what services were being purchased from this vendor, and how much they required in deposit? I have been amazed at the number of vendors requiring large deposits, then folding and pretending to still be live. I think this is the third similar thread over the last six months.
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">JOhn Scully</font></div>
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<div style="BACKGROUND: rgb(228,228,228) 0% 50%; FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><b>From:</b> <a title="markh@infoarch.com" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:markh@infoarch.com" target="_blank">
Mark Holm</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><b>To:</b> <a title="jeds@bluecorporate.com" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:jeds@bluecorporate.com" target="_blank">
Jed Stafford</a> ; <a title="asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com" target="_blank">Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
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<div style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 08, 2007 3:19 AM </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><b>Subject:</b> RE: [asterisk-biz] Anybody know how to get a response from SellVoIP.net?</div>
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">Jed,</font></span></div>
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">Glad to see you are still amongst the living. I don't generally use the Lite Portal as there is still some functionality in the Old one that I can't get to in the Lite one. I have been in and out of it for the last 4 weeks though and this is the first time I have seen those names there. That said, as stated in my original message and in the new ticket I placed this afternoon (still no response there) I did try and convert over to using the new names as found in the FAQ (which also match up with the portal). All 4 of those names are also timing out just like the static IPs. I'm not even getting a response back from your systems. These are older accounts attempting to register a TrixBox PBX, and setup using your TrixBox plug-in. They worked up until you moved everything and now they don't.
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">The account I am fighting first is: <font face="Verdana" color="#333333"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff">8616010000000003 against</font> <font face="Arial" color="#0000ff">
static IP address (mine) <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://69.30.46.122/" target="_blank">69.30.46.122</a>.</font></font></font></span></div>
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">Even a hint at the problem would be great. This whole fiasco has completely destroyed our credibility about how good VoIP is, since we can't even get our own office numbers worked out.
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span> <font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">markh</font></span></div>
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">P.S. Any chance that your own published number will start working any time soon so I could have a direct call with support?</font></span></div>
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<font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>From:</b> Jed Stafford [mailto:<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:jeds@bluecorporate.com" target="_blank">jeds@bluecorporate.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 07, 2007 5:28 PM
<br><b>To:</b> Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion<br><b>Cc:</b> helpdesk<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [asterisk-biz] Anybody know how to get a response from SellVoIP.net?<br></font><br> </div>
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<div><span>The DNS entries are provided on the main page of the portal login.
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<div>On May 7, 2007, at 5:12 PM, Mark Holm wrote:</div><br>
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<p><font face="Arial" size="2">I have been trying to get help on this from Jed or anybody Since April 4 when all my accounts went down. I followed all the instructions that Jed sent out for requesting the DID move, but NEVER received a message stating the new server names that should be used for registering with the new servers. I just noticed this afternoon that the FAQ section on their web site has a new list of names on it now that they say to use to check access speed with. Are those the names we should also be registering with? I tried plugging them into my setup, but am still not getting registration.
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<p><font face="Arial" size="2">Mean while all of my inbound numbers continue to give the message "You have reached a non-working number" when called. I have tried calling them, but their original number gave the same non-working number message also, and now it says you have to use area code 253 instead of 206, but that number also comes back with non-working number messages as well. How are you supposed to contact a company that is supposedly "still in business", but who's main published line doesn't work and doesn't respond to trouble tickets?
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<p><font face="Arial" size="2">I currently have 7 outstanding tickets in their system, 4 marked CRITICAL that range from requests for help to please for assistance, and have yet to receive ANY response from ANYBODY at SellVoIP. I even went so far as to report them to the Oregon PUC, but they can't reach them either…
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<p><font face="Arial" size="2">Jed,</font> </p>
<p><font face="Arial" size="2">If you are still lurking on this listserver, can you PLEASE let us (me specifically) know:</font> </p>
<p><font face="Arial" size="2">1) How to contact you or your support team in a manner that will get an answer?</font> <br><font face="Arial" size="2">2) How to get a copy of the mystery email stating that Static IP addresses were changing to DNS names and what they should be changed to? Better yet, what should the correct SIP settings for a server with a static address?
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<p><font face="Arial" size="2">3) Baring getting it working again, What is needed to facilitate a number port from your system and get a refund of the moneys sitting in my accounts on your system.</font></p>
<p><font face="Arial" size="2">Hopefully you can sense my frustration on this. We've been with you for almost 2 years and were a supporter until now. Help me be a supporter again!?!</font></p>
<p> <font face="Arial" size="2">markh</font> </p>
<p><font face="Arial" size="2">================================================</font> <br><font face="Arial" size="2">Mark A. Holm</font> <br><font face="Arial" size="2">InfoArch, Inc. </font>
<br><font face="Arial" size="2">7456 SW Baseline, PMB#123. Office: (503) 943-3202</font> <br><font face="Arial" size="2">Hillsboro, OR 97123 </font> <font face="Arial" size="2"> </font> <font face="Arial" size="2">
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