<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD>
<META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
<META content="MSHTML 6.00.5730.11" name=GENERATOR>
<STYLE></STYLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY bgColor=#ffffff>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Some providers are a wholesale provider.
Their business is engineered around selling to people that move hundreds of
thousands or millions of minutes a month. That's not a TrixBox
installation.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I am still building my own business, but I plan to
sell into many different markets. I will have to engineer my business
towards these on the various markets.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>There are indeed two kinds of use, perhaps I
labeled them wrong. Wholesale and retail. A wholesale operator sells
DIDs, minutes, channels, etc. A retail operator sells packages. A
wholesale user says give me an account, perform interoperability tests, goes
live, and doesn't bother support. A retail user requires much more
handholding, thus needs to be priced higher.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Yes, SellVoip made a mistake and they need to
resolve this. However, the user needs to select the appropriate provider
and conduct their due diligence before selecting their provider.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>----<BR>Mike Hammett<BR>Intelligent Computing Solutions<BR><A
href="http://www.ics-il.com">http://www.ics-il.com</A></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE
style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=lansiptelecom@gmail.com href="mailto:lansiptelecom@gmail.com">DM</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com
href="mailto:asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com">Commercial and Business-Oriented
Asterisk Discussion</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, December 11, 2006 9:10
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [asterisk-biz] December
Specials</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>You are sadly mistaken. Trixbox user does not equal
"hobbyist". There are plenty of people using Trixbox in production
environments. Why should they deserve less quality/service from
vendors? I use AAH/TB internally at three different locations. It
does everything I want it to do and more. I know we run over 4,000
minutes a month out of this office. Granted, it is not Fortune 500 size,
but it is not "hobbyist" either. <BR><BR>Why only two categories of users,
wholesale and hobbyist? There are alot of people who I would consider
fall between those two categories. (Like the kind of people who you sell
VoIP service to <A
href="http://www.ics-il.com/voip.php.">http://www.ics-il.com/voip.php.</A>)
So, would you knowlingly not sell service to someone because they were using
TB?<BR><BR>Whether they should have marketed directly to TB users or not is
irrelevant, the fact is they did. <BR><BR><BR>
<DIV><SPAN class=gmail_quote>On 12/10/06, <B class=gmail_sendername>Mike
Hammett</B> <<A
href="mailto:asterisk-biz@ics-il.net">asterisk-biz@ics-il.net</A>>
wrote:</SPAN>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote
style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">
<DIV bgcolor="#ffffff">
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>There's a difference between the support needs
of a wholesale customer and the hobbyists on Trixbox.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>They probably shouldn't have marketed to such a
user, but alas everyone makes mistakes. One could only hope that they
stayed more focused on the wholesale user than the hobbyist.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>----<BR>Mike Hammett<BR>Intelligent Computing Solutions<BR><A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="http://www.ics-il.com" target=_blank>http://www.ics-il.com</A></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE
style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(0,0,0) 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV><SPAN class=e id=q_10f6de7a6a30bd1a_1>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">-----
Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: rgb(228,228,228) 0% 50%; FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial"><B>From:</B>
<A title=lansiptelecom@gmail.com
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:lansiptelecom@gmail.com" target=_blank>DM</A> </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>To:</B>
<A title=asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com" target=_blank>Commercial and
Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion</A> </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>Sent:</B>
Saturday, December 09, 2006 9:04 AM</DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>Subject:</B>
Re: [asterisk-biz] December Specials</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Is this the same sellVoIP that is catching hell over at the
Trixbox forums?<BR><A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="http://www.trixbox.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=7228&forum=1#forumpost28322+"
target=_blank>http://www.trixbox.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=7228&forum=1#forumpost28322
</A><BR><A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="http://www.trixbox.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=5850&forum=5#forumpost22905"
target=_blank>http://www.trixbox.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=5850&forum=5#forumpost22905
</A><BR><A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="http://www.trixbox.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=6348&forum=2#forumpost24783"
target=_blank>http://www.trixbox.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=6348&forum=2#forumpost24783
</A><BR><BR>Sounds like you need to get your act together first before you
start offering specials to get new victims, err customers. <BR><BR>
<DIV><SPAN class=gmail_quote>On 12/9/06, <B class=gmail_sendername>Jed
Stafford</B> <<A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:jeds@sellvoip.net" target=_blank>jeds@sellvoip.net</A>>
wrote:</SPAN>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote
style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">
<DIV>
<P><FONT size=2>End of year specials from SellVoIP.<BR><BR>Unlimited
inbound channels :<BR><BR>Sign up for a channel based DID and receive 50
unlimited inbound channels through the end of the year free of charge.
After January 1st, you can add as many channels as you need at our
regular rate of $5.95 per unlimited inbound channel per month. Our DID's
are still just $1.00 per DID per month. Our channel products are SIP
only. <BR><BR>Canada on the cheap:<BR><BR>All Canada termination (except
867 Yukon) is being offered at $0.007 per minute through the end of the
year. New customers (signed up between now and December 31, 2006) are
offered Toll-Free origination from Canada at $0.025 per minute.
<BR><BR>You may sign up at :<BR><A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="https://www.sellvoip.net/order.php"
target=_blank>https://www.sellvoip.net/order.php</A><BR><BR>All products
are directly connected to us by major operating carriers in our
facilities around the world.</FONT>
</P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></SPAN></DIV><SPAN class=q>
<P></P>
<HR>
<P></P>_______________________________________________<BR>--Bandwidth and
Colocation provided by <A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="http://Easynews.com" target=_blank>Easynews.com</A>
--<BR><BR>asterisk-biz mailing list<BR>To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options
visit:<BR> <A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz"
target=_blank>http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz</A><BR>
<P></P></SPAN></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>--Bandwidth
and Colocation provided by <A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="http://Easynews.com" target=_blank>Easynews.com</A>
--<BR><BR>asterisk-biz mailing list<BR>To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options
visit:<BR> <A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz"
target=_blank>http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
</A><BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>
<P>
<HR>
<P></P>_______________________________________________<BR>--Bandwidth and
Colocation provided by Easynews.com --<BR><BR>asterisk-biz mailing list<BR>To
UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit:<BR>
http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>