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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Todd had a true and valid point.
Plainvoip has a LCR MACRO app like voicepulse. I was going to make one
utilizing both companies <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>LCR API’s but I figured voicepulse
might try to sue me or something so I didn’t bother. But
nevertheless most providers and do NPANXX<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>breakout pricing but there are 2 problems
I see.. First is that there are 145,000 codes approx just the US48.
This doesn’t include <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Canada</st1:place></st1:country-region><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>or outlying US territories or
states. Secondly like Todd has mentioned in his email yes.. You
could have costs up to 6c or so for some areas. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>If the client does a lot of calling to
RBOC’s then he/she would actually benefit from this but if the general
person calls all over the country <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>into NON-RBOC locations they could end up
seeing their costs sky rocket. I know from experience my parents live in
a non-rboc and it costs<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>upward of 4c to terminate a call to them
cause of the tariffs set forth by the LEC. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanks for the insight Todd.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:windowtext'> asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com
[mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b><st1:Street w:st="on"><st1:address w:st="on">VoIP
Street</st1:address></st1:Street> - Todd Routhier<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, June 07, 2006
9:35 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Commercial
and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [asterisk-biz]
VoicePulse's New Tiered Pricing is a Huge Success!</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>I see both sides of this but.. <br>
<br>
I think the point others were trying to make is this.. <br>
<br>
It's all fine and good to send only traffic that's expensive to terminate to a
blended rate carrier until the blended rate carrier starts losing money. Once
all the blended rate providers quit offering the blended rates because of this
then you will start seeing things like .06/minute to certain areas like Maine
where it actually cost this much to terminate traffic.<br>
<br>
The reason it's rare to see a rate like that is not because it's cheap to
terminate everywhere, it's because companies offer reasonable rates to these
areas and actually lose money on the calls. How can they do this? They can lose
money on these calls because they make a profit when terminating to the less
expensive areas.<br>
<br>
If you only send a blended rate providers the expensive calls, they will only
lose money forcing them to offer tiered services only which is a hassle to most
of the smaller players.<br>
<br>
When purchasing a flat rate TDM circuits, the carrier is going to hold you to
an 80/20 RBOB/Non RBOC clause. This clause was mentioned earlier in this thread
but I thought I would explain it for those that are not familiar with the term.<br>
<br>
Before I can explain this you have to know what an RBOC and a NON RBOC is.. <br>
<br>
RBOC = Regional <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Bell</st1:place></st1:City>
Operating Carrier<br>
Non RBOC = A small telco in a one horse town that can and will rake anyone and
everyone including other phone companies over the coals when they try to
terminate a call to their one horse town.<br>
<br>
So then, an 80/20 rule means that the calls you send to your carrier must be to
RBOC locations at least 80% of the time. This is to protect them from offering
a low blended rate where they expect average and customary blended usage and
getting hurt financially by having a customer only send them the traffic they
lose money on.<br>
<br>
Nothing wrong with VoicePulse offering the LCR macro but there is also nothing
wrong with others learning the possible pitfalls of using it in conjunction
with a blended rate carrier TDM or otherwise.<br>
<br>
I am not taking sides here, just thought a clear explanation would help.. <br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<pre><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> Todd Routhier<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <st1:Street
w:st="on"><st1:address w:st="on">VoIP Street</st1:address></st1:Street><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <a
href="http://www.VoIPstreet.com">http://www.VoIPstreet.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><br>
<br>
Paul wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<pre wrap=""><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>trixter aka Bret McDanel wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt' type=cite><pre wrap=""><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 03:35 -0400, <a
href="mailto:alex@pilosoft.com">alex@pilosoft.com</a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt' type=cite><pre wrap=""><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>The point I am making is that if you are doing LCR and 'cherrypicking', <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>the blended-rate provider is getting screwed.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre></blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>yeah, in a different post he just wanted to know what the program was. <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>If you think about how competitive business can be though its not a bad<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>thing to set up a situation where your competition has to raise rates or<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>go under and when you make money its not just that your competition isnt<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>for that good/service but that it makes it harder for your competition<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>to survive in their chosen business model.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>I have to give kudos to them for that. Its rare when a company can put<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>themselves into a position where they can not just take business away<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre></blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>>from their competition but also cause harm to their competition at the<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt' type=cite><pre wrap=""><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>same exact time. <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>If anyone feels this is not appropriate, to them I say this is<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>asterisk-biz not asterisk-communist-hippie and if its legal you shouldnt<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>really knock someone for creating a business model that conflicts with<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>someone elses chosen business model.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre></blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>The program is designed to save the customer money. Maybe that harms<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>competitors who won't give me those savings? Too bad.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
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