[asterisk-biz] Looking for Mexico Mobile Provider

Thu Mar 18 09:46:02 CDT 2010

Hello all,

Just my 2 cents in defense of those carriers/resellers who prefer to 
receive G729 calls:

:)

Since most commercial VoIP carriers use G729 almost exclusively, in most 
cases there is no need for transcoding, (a reseller/carrier/whatever 
usually receives traffic in G729).

In many cases there is good reason to avoid accepting anything other 
than the terminating side accepts (ie G729). It is not only a matter of 
G729 licensing costs, although nowadays that the wholesale margins are 
getting thinner and thinner, all costs (and especially network access 
costs) have a tremendous impact on the business.

The main issue IMHO is that apart from licensing costs, additional 
transcoding causes is a degradation of audio quality: in a standard VoIP 
call scenario a G729 call has already been transcoded at it's 
originating end from another codec (for example G711a/u from an ISN 
network) and will be transcoded to one of the prefered codecs of the 
terminating end (if it's an ISDN network it will be G711a/u again).

So, we already have one transcoding in our hands, and all MOS 
measurements are done in such scenarios.

Now, if there is an additional transoding along the path of the call 
(example, the originating carrier sends you the call in let's say Speex 
or G723.1 and you transcode it to G729 before you send it to the 
terminating equipment), audio quality will degrade and most of the times 
the degradation will be serious.

Also, up to now we have not even considered the fact that the audio may 
have already been transcoded multiple times before it reaches your 
equipment, as it passes along from carrier to carrier before it reaches you.

This is why in our company, we always prefer to let RTP pass through 
rather than process it. We DO accept calls in most codecs if this is 
indeed the customers' preference, but we notify them that G729 is always 
preferred & that we will transcode from other codecs, but they need to 
keep in mind that audio may suffer.

Best regards,
Vlasis Hatzistavrou
Kinetix Tele.com International Inc.
306 Victoria House,
Victoria, Mahe,
Seychelles
Tel.: +302310556134
Fax: +302310556134 (ext. 0)
GSM: +306977835653
e-mail: vhatz at kinetixtele.com
http://www.kinetixtele.com

Postal address:
Monastiriou 9&  Enotikon
54627
Thessaloniki
Greece

On 18/3/10 4:03 μμ, C. Savinovich wrote:
> I not only get it, but I also have done the calculations, the same as anyone
> with 2 months experience in telecom reselling, and it happens that the
> expense of trans-coding is part of the business.  What kind of reseller is
> it that is in the business and doesn't want to spend money in g729
> licensing?  Are you going to walk away from a provider just because of his
> codec, without considering his ASR, QOS, technical support, or price as
> primary criteria?
>
> CS
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com
> [mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Fred Posner
> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 8:47 AM
> To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
> Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Looking for Mexico Mobile Provider
>
> I don't think you get it. If a carrier only uses g729 and you don't want
> g729 for licensing, quality, whatever, then you simply choose another
> carrier. If a carrier doesn't want to tell you what codecs they are using,
> then why would you choose that carrier?
>
> ---fred
> http://qxork.com
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 18, 2010, at 8:25 AM, C. Savinovich wrote:
>
>    
>> Fine, then receive in codec X and trans-code to g729, or viceversa  :)
>>
>> CS
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com
>> [mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Fred
>> Posner
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 10:02 PM
>> To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
>> Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Looking for Mexico Mobile Provider
>>
>> Some carriers only allow g729.
>>
>> ---fred
>> http://qxork.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 17, 2010, at 8:52 PM, C. Savinovich wrote:
>>
>>      
>>> What does the codec has to do on a wholesale long distance negotiation?
>>>
>>> CS
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com
>>> [mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Fred
>>> Posner
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 3:07 PM
>>> To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
>>> Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Looking for Mexico Mobile Provider
>>>
>>> Which codec again?
>>>
>>> ---fred
>>> http://qxork.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 17, 2010, at 3:01 PM, jay kordic wrote:
>>>
>>>        
>>>> Fred,
>>>> I will have a Mexico Mobile available to test tomorrow with CLI,
>>>> rate-.085/minute with 11+ acd. Can you use?
>>>>
>>>> Jay Kordic
>>>> The Horizon Group
>>>> Wholesale termination/origination
>>>> 1-951-744-9220 (voice)
>>>> 1-951-963-1298 (fax)
>>>> MSN IM - jaykordic at hotmail.com
>>>> Twitter- http://twitter.com/jkordic
>>>>
>>>> 2010 Specials
>>>> 1.USA unrestricted termination @ .0097/minute with 1/1
>>>> billing,SIP/H323-G729/G711 supported.
>>>> 2.USA unrestricted termination(CLI) @ .0085/minute with 1/1
>>>> billing,H323/G729 supported.
>>>> 3..0039/minute for USA termination with virtual CLI/ANI(111,000+
>>>> npa/nxx's)SIP only.G711/G729.
>>>> 4.India 919 mobile termination(white route) as low as
>>>> .0110/minute(9194-.0129/min.)
>>>> 5.Brazil Mobile-.071/minute(34% ASR/6 min. acd).
>>>> 6.Pakistan White termination with CLI at .049/minute.
>>>> 7.USA T.38/G711/G729 termination as low as .0095/minute (this route
>>>> will take dialer traffic).6/6 billing.
>>>> 8.USA unrestricted termination with CLI (g711/g729)@
>>>> .0106/minute.1/1 billing.
>>>> 9.USA termination  .0049/minute (100,000+npa/nxx's) with 1/1 billing
>>>>          
>> /CLI.
>>      
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com
>>>> [mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Fred
>>>> Posner
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 11:40 AM
>>>> To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
>>>> Subject: [asterisk-biz] Looking for Mexico Mobile Provider
>>>>
>>>> Looking for suggestions on a good quality / low price (yes I know
>>>> that they don't go hand in hand) carrier for Mexico Mobile termination.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks. :)
>>>>
>>>> ---fred
>>>> http://qxork.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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