[asterisk-biz] India VoIP termination - FRAUD- BE Careful
Vlasis Hatzistavrou (KTI)
vhatz at kinetix.gr
Tue Nov 3 07:37:17 CST 2009
Of, course, the escrow agent has to actually do something more than just
"guard" the money.
Now there are escrow agencies which receive CDRs from both parties in
real time or in bathes every few hours. So, in case of a dispute the
escrow agent acts as a referee, too.
Best regards,
Vlasis Hatzistavrou.
Mindaugas Kezys wrote:
>>From our experience escrow is not good choice either. Other side can argue
> that service was bad/unusable and you will not get paid for it.
>
> Regards,
> Mindaugas Kezys
> http://www.kolmisoft.com
> VoIP Billing and Routing Solutions
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com
> [mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Vlasis
> Hatzistavrou (KTI)
> Sent: 2009 m. lapkričio 2 d. 13:54
> To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
> Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] India VoIP termination - FRAUD- BE Careful
>
> Just my 2 cents: there are escrow, exchange & clearinghouse services
> that one can use in order to secure business.
>
> Simple prepay/postpay nowadays is too dangerous, not only with small &
> unknown operators but even with large & well known carriers. They too
> will dispute just about anything...
>
> Best regards,
> Vlasis Hatzistavrou.
>
>
> Andy Spring wrote:
>> Hi Dennis, first I am sorry to hear your bad news, but i can give you
>> some suggestion, most of business men are trust parterns, only very
>> little are frauds, yes, sometimes, it is very difficult to find out who
>> is sincerely and who is not, but you can test them from a very small
>> order starting after you have dealt many many small business
>> succesfully, then start big orders or stop contact with them.
>>
>> 2009/11/2 <info at dialontel.com <mailto:info at dialontel.com>>
>>
>> Hi Andy and Everyone in this Forum,
>>
>> Of course Andy we are very Angry. Last Year in total we lost over
>> 30K USD and Asia Telecom and BroadTelephone 3K USD invoice is part
>> of it. This has effect our business process to do much more
>> verification in giving post pay/prepay and it has become almost
>> impossible find out who is geniune and who is not.
>>
>> Even though These two companies are registered in UK and USA its
>> managed and owned by Pakistan guys (nothing personal to
>> Pakistanies) so my point is we can not judge a company from where it
>> is registered.
>>
>>
>> So I bilieve most effective way to minimize frauds is to keep close
>> contact with trusted partners and their frauds, so you can keep away
>> from frauds.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Dennis S.
>> DialOnTel Team
>> <http://www.dialontel/>
>>
>>
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] India VoIP termination - FRAUD- BE
>> Careful
>> From: Andy Spring <andyspr at gmail.com <mailto:andyspr at gmail.com>>
>> Date: Sun, November 01, 2009 5:15 am
>> To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
>> <asterisk-biz at lists.digium.com
>> <mailto:asterisk-biz at lists.digium.com>>
>>
>> Haha... Maybe Dennis is very angry with them, but what make me
>> suprised is that the frauds are from UK and USA, whose
>> reputation are good and they also think themselves come with
>> good reputation, but also rubbish
>>
>> 2009/10/31 <info at dialontel.com <mailto:info at dialontel.com>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> DO NOT sell any minutes to BroadTelepone or AsiaTelecom.
>> They have a pending invoice to us for last 8 months 3000
>> USD. Our company name is DialOnTel. we were seling India to
>> them. These companies are fraud based in UK and USA.
>> AsiaTelecom UK is currently on liquadation.
>>
>> Sikander - Director, Faruk -Tech guy never response to our
>> calls or emails.
>>
>> DO NOT Give post pay to them.
>>
>> My name is Dennis from DialOnTel.
>> dennis at dialontel.com <mailto:dennis at dialontel.com>
>> info at dialontel.com <mailto:info at dialontel.com>
>>
>> Sikander if you see this email you are most welcome to
>> contact me as you never response to our emials or calls.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> DialOnTel Team
>>
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] India VoIP termination
>> From: Sikander Saeed <sikander at asiatele.net
>> <mailto:sikander at asiatele.net>>
>> Date: Fri, October 30, 2009 4:04 pm
>> To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
>> <asterisk-biz at lists.digium.com
>> <mailto:asterisk-biz at lists.digium.com>>
>>
>> BroadTelephone is based in USA and involve in wholesale
>> and retail VoIP services in USA, Canada and UK since
>> last decade. We are looking for quality route to India.
>> Our targets are:
>>
>> India 919 mobile $0.0110
>> India 9194 $0.0125
>> India ROC 91 $0.0150
>> India Cities $0.0130
>>
>> Our daily traffic is about 25,000 minutes per day.
>> Please let us know if you can provide such service.
>>
>> Sikander Saeed
>> BroadTelephone, Inc.
>> www.broadtelephone.com <http://www.broadtelephone.com/>
>>
>>
>> Mitul Limbani wrote:
>>> Brian,
>>>
>>> So if I m correct this would be a one of retail customer
> who needs to
>>> call their indian partner company?
>>>
>>> Please email me in a bit more detail off the list, coz we
> have helped
>>> several US based companies optimize their communication
> cost to their
>>> indian counter part or indian offshore units.
>>>
>>> And I think we can help your customer too.
>>>
>>> Thanks & Regards,
>>> Mitul Limbani,
>>> Founder & CEO,
>>> Enterux Solutions Pvt. Ltd.,
>>> The Enterprise Linux Company (r),
>>> http://www.enterux.com <http://www.enterux.com/>
>>> http://www.entVoice.com <http://www.entvoice.com/>
>>>
>>> On 27-Oct-2009, at 7:30 AM, "Brian Franklin"
> <bfranklin at ntginc.net> <mailto:bfranklin at ntginc.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I have an executive that needs low cost minutes to a
> partner firm in
>>>> India. Clear calls and low cost is the primary concern.
>>>>
>>>> Brian
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com
> <mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com>
>>>> [mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf
> Of mtlvoip
>>>> Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 8:48 PM
>>>> To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
>>>> Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] USA to India
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> with what kind of features and in which level of price
> are your
>>>> looking
>>>>
>>>> for?
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>> From: "Brian Franklin" <bfranklin at ntginc.net>
> <mailto:bfranklin at ntginc.net>
>>>> Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 9:32 PM
>>>> To: "Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk
> Discussion"
>>>> <asterisk-biz at lists.digium.com>
> <mailto:asterisk-biz at lists.digium.com>
>>>> Subject: [asterisk-biz] USA to India
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Looking for quality international SIP
> termination...particularly to
>>>>> India.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any suggestions?
>>>>>
>>>>>
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