[asterisk-biz] extra capacity for Romania proper

[Cameo Ro]

Hello Vlasis,

I simply have to disagree with you on certain issues. While I agree with you on Arbinet beeing a good reference, I have the following comments.

If you send traffic to any "developed" country , be it in West Europe, US, Canada or Singapore - calls generally pass with a decent quality, and arbinet routes simply work. 

However, there are destinations that can't be served if you buy on Arbinet. I found one of them to be Romania, where I send most of my traffic - calls where often disconnected, mobile calls not passing, call quality for mobiles was bad ( i.e. inaudible ).

That was the experience which made me say " We are also retailers, we use what we sell ". 

About pricing, if someone wants the service, please simply contact me offline. 

I believe you are a wholesaler, Vlasis. If you have termination on Romania mobile, please let me know ( not arbinet traffic, please ). 

Brgds,

Tudor






Hello,

Regarding the preference for N. American traffic thanks for the 
clarification. In comparison with the peak-off peak model it makes sense.

Now regarding the market average: almost everyone's market average 
reference is Arbinet nowdays. Using this market as well as 
offers/targets from other carriers, one can find Romania Mobile Cosmorom 
in the range of $0.03/min, with around 40% and ACD of more than 5 mins. 
This is almost half the price that you quote for your route ($0.059/min).

The situation is similar for Orange at around $0.04/min, although for 
Vodafone your rate is competitive. For landlines decent quality seems to 
begin from $0.0140 to $0.0145.

Of course, let me make clear that these routes' quality (which are 
refiles) may not be even remotely comparable to your offered quality. 
You have an in-country direct SS7 interconnection and nothing else can 
compete with that, price-wize.

It's just that the above mentioned routes from the general market 
present a good/acceptable wholesale quality as compared to your far 
superior retail oriented quality. And for this reason, they appear more 
suitable for most potential buyers.

In other words, the problem that I needed to point out is that nowdays, 
both retail VoIP providers as well as wholesale carriers are extremely 
price oriented. Unfortunately, it appears that superior quality means 
nothing to them, as long as the route performs nominally and the price 
is right (right=very very low for most carriers).

Since there are other carriers selling the same destination at a 
considerably lower price then perhaps you need to consider your offered 
price because quality alone is not sufficient for any carrier to pay 
$0.059/min. You can probably lower it a bit more (or a lot more) since 
others are selling the same route a lot lower, just to appear a bit more 
competitive.

Anyway, this is just a friendly discussion that is probably going 
off-topic in this list. Let's continue it off-list and if anyone wants 
to join in we'll keep them in the loop with cc's.

Best regards,
Vlasis Hatzistavrou
Kinetix Tele.com International Inc.
306 Victoria House,
Victoria, Mahe,
Seychelles
Tel.: +302310556134
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Greece

Cameo Ro wrote:
> Hello Vlasis,
> 
> To respond to your questions.
> 
> 1. Why preferably North American traffic? Is there any difference if it
> originates from European countries?
> 
> R. Vlasis, it is a preference. I also have a peak- off peak model, which can 
> be applied if you want to send European traffic. From my experience, it makes 
> things more difficult. If you want to send European traffic, please feel free 
> to contact me offline, we can setup a peak/off peak model. 
> 
> 2. I couldn't help notice that the offered prices are a lot higher than
> the current market average both for landlines and mobiles. One would
> expect that a direct interconnection would yield lower prices. So, is
> there any particular reason for this?
> 
> Please let me know how do you compute market averages and what your 
> references are? 
> 
> Mines are Arbinet and Belgacom. For a non-commited offer ( you send 50 
> dollars, you get 50 dollars, also with a money back guarantee ( minus bank 
> charges )  ) 
> 
> + 
> 
> -  post-dial-delay close to zero seconds
> 
> -  no false answering
> 
> - sending "bye" at the end  
> 
> I truly believe it is a good offer. 
> 
> We are also retailers, we use what we sell and we also check on the 
> competition quite often. It has been very difficult for me until now to get a 
> provider who can meet the last 3 requirements ( pdd, no false ans. + bye ) 
> AND offers consistently  quality connections. 
> 
> Brgds,
> 
> T. 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Two quick questions:
> 
> 1) Why preferably North American traffic? Is there any difference if it
> originates from European countries?
> 
> 2) I couldn't help notice that the offered prices are a lot higher than
> the current market average both for landlines and mobiles. One would
> expect that a direct interconnection would yield lower prices. So, is
> there any particular reason for this?
> 
> Best regards,
> Vlasis Hatzistavrou.
> 
> Cameo Ro wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> We have some extra capacity for Romania proper. It is a direct 
>> interconnection with Romtelecom ( 402 ),  with SS7.
>>
>> No-commitment price is US $ 0.019 c/min, per-second billing. We're looking 
>> mainly for North American traffic.
>>
>> Also available :
>>
>> Romania mobile (407) : US $ 0.059 c/min
>>
>> Romanian DIDs.
>> Romanian calling card numbers.
>>
>> Please write on private email for more details : info @ sunapemobil. ca
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Tudor Seicarescu