[asterisk-biz] ANI

Tue May 13 12:14:10 CDT 2008

I have avoided chiming in but this is getting pretty bad.

CALLERID, ANI, and EMAIL all suffer from the same problem. Once there is
no ONE entity controlling access, they are no viable (cost-effective)
ways to control it.  I'll take the risk of a cab showing up and my door,
or a pizza I didn't deliver showing up at my door, rather than have
everything I say, do, write, or transfer, accounted and verified. If the
bad guys, are going to do anything, than no measure of legislation, or
regulation would stop them. Humans are generally trusting, Case in
point, we used to let passengers carry knifes on airplanes, we no longer
allow that, and the world is NOT a better place because of it. An hour
to get on a plane for a 30 minute flight, that's regulation for you!!!
I know that once you pass a law for one thing, someone thinks of a way
around it.

I don't have to hack into an asterisk box, to do harm, I can go to any
cross box, pick a pair hook up a Butt Set and crank call my life away!!!

In high school, we found the address to a uniquely uptight teacher. We
would call a cab to his house every Wednesday night at 3AM (it was
quarter beer night at the Pub), We would tell the cab company that I was
hard of hearing and to please place the car as close to the front door
as possible and repeat ably FLASH the lights and HONK the Horn until I
came out. We would have done it for a longer period of time except that
we ran out of Cab companies. We would sit in my friend's dad's custom
van down the street with a long roll of speaker cable, with clips on one
end and a RJ-Jack on the other. High TECH, Radio Shack!!!

I am sure that to this day, he still hates taxi cabs; maybe if he goes
to the 20 year reunion I'll let him in on the secret!!!!

This just proves the point that there are other 'entrances' into the
PSTN that are hard to be traced.  A single cross box can handle a large
geographic area. Couple this with a pair of cross-connect wires to
another lateral (F2 or even F3) and you could be even further.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-biz-
> bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Steve Totaro
> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 12:42 PM
> To: nk3569 at yahoo.com; Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk
Discussion
> Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] ANI
> 
> Nitzan,
> 
> Maybe you are unaware that all of this could be done with *absolutely*
> no way to trace it back to the "Culprit".
> 
> If you cannot trace it back to the culprit AND more importantly, clear
> the INNOCENT, then more regulation is needed.
> 
> "Culprit -> VoIP carrier who lets set CID/ANI -> ILEC or CLEC ->
> terminated to PSTN." would be stupid.
> 
> This make more sense:
> Open WiFi AP (or cracked WEP)  ---->  hacked Asterisk box (who sets
the
> CID/ANI ----> Telco  ------>  terminated to the PSTN
> 
> Be sure to delete appropriate logs on the hacked Asterisk boxen and
just
> to be safe, spoof your laptop's MAC address.  Perform your exploit
> somewhere inconspicuous and a good distance from "home, then clean
your
> laptop by using DBAN http://dban.sourceforge.net/ which is DoD
5220.22-M
> compliant, before re-installing your OS"......
> 
> Thanks,
> Steve Totaro
> 
> 
> Nitzan Kon wrote:
> > Yep. True.
> >
> > So the issue is not needing more regulation - but just how to be
able to
> enforce existing regulation. Not something that more regulation by
itself
> will resolve!
> >
> > Of course for all these cases, there WILL be records allowing law
> enforcement officials (***who know what they're doing***) to trace
back
> the calls. Even if you spoof ANI/CID - your call has to come from
> somewhere.
> >
> > Let's take your 3AM campaign suggestion for example: the way the
call
> will go is:
> >
> > Culprit -> VoIP carrier who lets set CID/ANI -> ILEC or CLEC ->
> terminated to PSTN.
> >
> > Tracing it back should not be a problem if you have the proper court
> orders, just find out with the terminating party which ILEC/CLEC they
got
> the call from, then find out with the ILEC/CLEC which VoIP carrier
they
> got the call from - and then finally get the customer records from the
> VoIP carrier.
> >
> > Sure, it's not as easy as it used to be, and I may be over
simplifying
> it - but it is possible and much better than trying to regulate who
can
> and can't set CID. Punish the CRIMINALS - not the PROVIDERS.
> >
> > --- On Thu, 5/29/08, Charles Vance <cbvance at msn.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> From: Charles Vance <cbvance at msn.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] ANI
> >> To: "Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion"
<asterisk-
> biz at lists.digium.com>
> >> Date: Thursday, May 29, 2008, 6:40 PM
> >> each of those scenario's involve either fraud or intent
> >> to do harm and are already prohibited
> >> in FCC regs even absent the "Truth in Caller ID
> >> Act"
> >>   ----- Original Message -----
> >>   From: Steve
> >> Totaro<mailto:stotaro at totarotechnologies.com>
> >>   To:
> >> trixter at 0xdecafbad.com<mailto:trixter at 0xdecafbad.com>
> >> ; Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk
> >> Discussion<mailto:asterisk-biz at lists.digium.com>
> >>   Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 18:22
> >>   Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] ANI
> >>
> >>
> >>   Setting up a drone Asterisk box to take hundreds of
> >> thousands of FTP
> >>   .call files at 3AM (by each time zone) and play pro
> >> Hillary Clinton
> >>   campaign messages (or whoever you don't like),
> >> obviously spoofing
> >>   her/his campaign headquarters caller ID and ANI.
> >>
> >>   Obtaining a new credit card from someone's mailbox
> >> with the sticker to
> >>   call from your home phone to activate the card.  Spoof
> >> their Caller ID
> >>   and ANI, activate, and buy some cool gadgets or whatever
> >> people do
> >>   with cards that don't belong to them.
> >>
> >>   Setting CallerID/ANI to clients', girlfriends',
> >> bosses' cell phone and
> >>   call until voicemail picks up, if no PIN is set, I have
> >> full control
> >>   of their voicemail (and could possibly call out, I will
> >> have to test
> >>   that with the call back option.  Then someone could
> >> really have some
> >>   fun depending on what messages they have saved)
> >>
> >>   So many exploits.....
> >>
> >>   Thanks,
> >>   Steve Totaro
> >>
> >>
> 
> 
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