[asterisk-biz] ANI

[Mike Hammett]

Well, it wasn't really of spoofing, perse, but if the CNID received on a 
toll free is the ANI, since toll free gets passed ANI, but from what I can 
see it is not.


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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Miles Scruggs" <asterisk at wideideas.com>
To: "Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion" 
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Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] ANI


>I don't see how that wouldn't apply since there still exists a calling
> party and receiving party, and carrier.  Since the question was of
> spoofing it wouldn't make much sense to think of spoofing happening on
> the receiving end.
>
> You simply have no assurance that the ANI/CID you are receiving is in
> fact valid. It is suppose to be but that is as far as you can go.
>
> On May 9, 2008, at 8:30 AM, Steve Totaro wrote:
>> Oh, I was speaking of inbound only LD (toll free) PRIs.  Maybe I am
>> way off topic for this thread.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Steve Totaro
>>
>> On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 11:18 AM, Miles Scruggs
>> <asterisk at wideideas.com> wrote:
>>> This belief is limited to your experience with PRIs.  When you obtain
>>> SIP termination services from ATT, Verizon, or Level 3.  They have no
>>> way of verifying what ANI/CID you are sending.  It doesn't matter if
>>> you are calling 800s or not, they bill it back to the CID that you
>>> pass (not to say that your carrier won't bill you as well since they
>>> see the calls go through their switches, but they more than likely
>>> won't see the reciprocal billing from the receiving LEC).  Want a
>>> proof of concept?  Setup an account with a small terminating provider
>>> like Junction networks, send all your calls out with the ANI of your
>>> cell phone. Last step will be to recoil in horror next time you open
>>> your cell phone bill. I'm not saying they can't track you down, or
>>> trace abuse back to you, since everything is logged, but very little
>>> verification happens.
>>>
>>> If you are sending thousands of calls per day to a trunk that is
>>> outbound only, from thousands of different parties, you don't have to
>>> delve into to much logic to see the obvious result.
>>>
>>> Cheer
>>>
>>> Miles
>>>
>>> On May 9, 2008, at 7:33 AM, Steve Totaro wrote:
>>>> I may be wrong here but I do not believe that ANI can be spoofed.
>>>>
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_number_identification
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Steve Totaro
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 10:03 AM,  <nigel.dennis at sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>>>> Mike... The reason why collection services, skip tracers and
>>>>> private
>>>>> investigators ask to call back on their 800 toll free is simply
>>>>> because you
>>>>> can not spood your ANI to a 800 #.
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>> From: "Mike Hammett" <asterisk-biz at ics-il.net>
>>>>> Reply-To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk
>>>>> Discussion<asterisk-biz at lists.digium.com>
>>>>> To: <asterisk-biz at lists.digium.com>
>>>>> Subject: [asterisk-biz] ANI
>>>>> Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 08:29:48 -0500
>>>>>
>>>>> Is the CID of a call to a toll free number really the ANI,
>>>>> therefore not
>>>>> spoofed or blocked?
>>>>>
>>>>> Someone who's opinion I respect said it generally is, but he wasn't
>>>>> sure.
>>>>> Since I have a potential customer coming to me with an ANI
>>>>> requirement, not
>>>>> a CID requirement, I figured I should make sure.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----------
>>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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