[asterisk-biz] Check this out :(

[bob murphy]

My original intention, which I admit that I did not communicate clearly, was
to suggest that we maintain dialogue on this board around best practices.
Specifically on how to position value and charge accordingly.  And that we
all present our respective organizations as high value add service boutiques
specializing in Open Source Telephony integration.  This will allow all of
us to offer solutions that are competitive to Cisco, Shoretel, Nortel etc.
and keep our respective bottom lines healthy.  Anyone who has lived through
a technology adoption cycle (or three of them) knows what I am talking
about.  We will all be well served, as will our clients, if we go into the
mass adoption phase BEFORE commodization happens.  In a word - Community.
Let's maintain a community of opportunists who create a market opportunity.
I believe we can do this and all of us will prosper and our clients will be
ecstatic.

Bob Murphy
Arreva Communications


On 10/15/07, Aleks Clark <aleks.clark at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Yea, price fixing aside, I can sympathize with wanting to know how much to
> charge for something...business not being my strong suite :P Of course,
> that's probably why I'm running telecoms in Iraq instead of selling voip and
> wifi in some nice burough...
>
> On 9/15/07, Derrick Moennick <derrick at phonesource.ca> wrote:
> >
> > Guys,
> >
> > No need to get up in arms here. For obvious reasons price fixing is not
> > the way to go here. This is my mistake for adding my two cents. At any
> > rate different markets require different pricing structures so to all
> > conform to one pricing structure does not make sense - this is what I
> > meant originally.
> >
> > /D
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com
> > [mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Paul
> > Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 9:37 PM
> > To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
> > Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Check this out :(
> >
> > A literate person reading my first paragraph would see that my second
> > paragraph is obvious sarcasm.
> >
> > Aren't you the fool who suggested price fixing in this thread? What else
> >
> > would you expect? There is an old saying that there is no honor among
> > thieves. Please let me join your stupid game so I can break the rules
> > and cut your throat.
> >
> > bob murphy wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks you just revealed to everyone here the way you operate.
> > >
> > > On 10/14/07, *Paul* <ast2005 at 9ux.com <mailto:ast2005 at 9ux.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > >     Kristian Kielhofner wrote:
> > >
> > >     >On 9/12/07, Derrick Moennick < derrick at phonesource.ca
> > >     <mailto:derrick at phonesource.ca>> wrote:
> > >     >
> > >     >
> > >     >>
> > >     >>
> > >     >>Standardized pricing is an interesting idea. How do we solve the
> > >     issue of
> > >     >>different international markets?
> > >     >>
> > >     >>
> > >     >>
> > >     >>/Derrick
> > >     >>
> > >     >>
> > >     >>
> > >     >>
> > >     >>-----Original Message-----
> > >     >> From: asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com
> > >     <mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com >
> > >     >>[mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com
> > >     <mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com >] On Behalf Of
> > >     >>bob murphy
> > >     >> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 8:33 PM
> > >     >> To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
> > >     >> Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Check this out :(
> > >     >>
> > >     >>
> > >     >>
> > >     >>
> > >     >>And let's not forget the Cisco UC500.  I attended an orientation
> > >     and while
> > >     >>it is nice to look at, there's no multi site interoperability
> > >     (yeah why
> > >     >>destroy call manager and unified messenger revenue), limited
> > >     extension
> > >     >>support (32) and you can only use Cisco IP phones.  So at 750 to
> > >     900 per
> > >     >>extension installed, it's no threat to those of us pursuing 50
> > >     to 300 seat
> > >     >>enterprises.  Up in that space, it's the usual suspects (Cisco0,
> > >     Nortel,
> > >     >>Shoretel et al) at $1, 000.00 to $1,400.00 per phone
> > >     installed.  Oh and no
> > >     >>call center at those prices.  We should all get together and
> > >     attempt to
> > >     >>standardize some pricing models so we all continue to enjoy
> > healthy
> > >     >>profitability.  Technology comes and goes.  Integration and
> > >     implementation
> > >     >>expertise is always valuable.  Just wait until it's VOKS!  Voice
> > >     Over
> > >     >>Kitchen Sink.  Then, my Friends, we will need to worry.
> > >     >>
> > >     >>
> > >     >>
> > >     >>
> > >     >>
> > >     >>Bob Murphy
> > >     >>
> > >     >>
> > >     >>
> > >     >
> > >     >  Standard pricing?  This sounds a bit like price fixing:
> > >     >
> > >     >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_fixing
> > >     >
> > >     >  Criminal felony in the US...  Doesn't sound like fun! :)
> > >     >
> > >     >
> > >     >
> > >     Only a fool would trust their co-conspirator(s) in a price fixing
> > >     arrangement. The goal is to get everybody else to hold their
> > prices at
> > >     some level. Then you do some sneaky kickbacks and bribes to
> > increase
> > >     market share. Somebody has to blink first and then everybody
> > starts
> > >     blinking.
> > >
> > >     Anyway, count me in. I'll run the discounted sales through my
> > cousin's
> > >     auto body shop.
> > >
> > >
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> > >
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> > >
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