[asterisk-biz] Check this out :(
Derrick Moennick
derrick at phonesource.ca
Fri Oct 12 11:18:06 CDT 2007
Standardized pricing is an interesting idea. How do we solve the issue
of different international markets?
/Derrick
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From: asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com
[mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of bob murphy
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 8:33 PM
To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Check this out :(
And let's not forget the Cisco UC500. I attended an orientation and
while it is nice to look at, there's no multi site interoperability
(yeah why destroy call manager and unified messenger revenue), limited
extension support (32) and you can only use Cisco IP phones. So at 750
to 900 per extension installed, it's no threat to those of us pursuing
50 to 300 seat enterprises. Up in that space, it's the usual suspects
(Cisco0, Nortel, Shoretel et al) at $1, 000.00 to $1,400.00 per phone
installed. Oh and no call center at those prices. We should all get
together and attempt to standardize some pricing models so we all
continue to enjoy healthy profitability. Technology comes and goes.
Integration and implementation expertise is always valuable. Just wait
until it's VOKS! Voice Over Kitchen Sink. Then, my Friends, we will
need to worry.
Bob Murphy
On 10/11/07, shadowym <shadowym at hotmail.com> wrote:
I get a kick out of people talking about this product like they have
been
using it for years. There aren't even any detailed spec's out and
nobody
really knows the price. It's just Marketecture at this point. The
pricing
they have talked about doesn't include the external PSTN gateway for one
thing and no talk of optional features which they will of course charge
more
for.
And do you really think this thing will "just work" right out of the box
first revision? Since when has ANYTHING "just worked" from M$ right out
of
the gate or even 2 or 3 revisions later. And we are not talking about
some
consumer toy here. It's a business PBX so the bar is MUCH higher and
the
customer MUCH more discerning.
Actually, I seem to recall the same sorts of discussions when Linksys
was
coming out with their SPA9000 and now here we are and nothing has really
changed. It doesn't work as well as people thought it would. It is
more
expensive than people thought it would be once you put together all the
pieces and add all the options. This is Linksys/Cisco which has a lot
more
telecom experience and focus than M$.
-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Balashov [mailto:abalashov at evaristesys.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 2:48 PM
To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Check this out :(
Yeah, but it has brand identity and well-defined, ubiquitous purpose and
performance characteristics. Of course, as you rightly observe, that
can
have nothing to do with intrinsic merit or the monetisation aspect of
market acceptance (as opposed to the "hype" aspect).
I would wager there is going to be a lot of noise about Microsoft
telephony systems in the foreseeable future, due to its ability to
engineer it. But it seems to me like a very inflexible small-office
PBX; the moment any kind of sophistication or polymorphism is required,
it's time to look elsewhere for something customisable, open-source and
multifarious.
And VoIP is kind of like that - look at all the things we are doing with
it every day that extend far, far outside the domain of traditional PBX
expectations. Customised IVR systems, data acquisition interfaces, some
degree of carrier network element functionality and switching,
translation, routing, peering... a lot of the ingenuity of what is, in
the
end, a business-oriented Asterisk PBX system depends on the ability to
flexibly integrate this type of functionality.
-- Alex
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007, shadowym wrote:
> The Xbox is just a PC running gaming software for the consumer market.
They
> have remained committed to it for years and lost a lot of money in the
> process. Despite what "impression" you may have by all the
advertising
and
> hype, they continue to be spanked by Nintendo which sells 2 or 3 boxes
for
> every one Xbox. Or maybe it's the Sony or maybe both. Can't remember
which
> but Google will tell you.
>
> The only reason people seem to want it is for online Halo so it's a
one
> trick pony. They just lost a billion dollars on that massive recall
for
> consoles going dead as well.
>
> From: Aleks Clark [mailto:aleks.clark at gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 10:49 AM
> To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
> Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Check this out :(
>
> I dunno about the core competency...seems the Xbox is doing ok :D
> On 10/11/07, Alex Balashov <abalashov at evaristesys.com
> <mailto:abalashov at evaristesys.com> > wrote:
>
> Indeed. We should all so be so lucky as to have an R&D budget 1/128th
of
> that size. I've got lots of stuff I'd like to throw at the wall. I'm
> sure you do too.
>
> On Thu, 11 Oct 2007, shadowym wrote:
>
>> I agree,
>>
>> M$ is a blaster company. They blast the wall with all sorts of stuff
to
> see
>> what sticks and if nothing much happens after a year or two they move
on.
>> The farther away they are from their core competency the less likey
they
>> will remain committed to making a good product and sticking with it.
An
> IP
>> PBX is a LONG ways from their core compentency.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Alex Balashov [mailto:abalashov at evaristesys.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 11:28 PM
>> To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
>> Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Check this out :(
>>
>>
>> I am not particularly beset with the impression that the VoIP
business
>> community has anything to fear from this product or the particular
>> vendor's attempt to enter the space.
>>
>> On Mon, 10 Sep 2007, Derrick Moennick wrote:
>>
>>> Looks like just another strong player entering into the IP telephony
>>> world to make sure the world goes this route.
>>>
>>> Derrick
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com
>>> [mailto: <mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com>
> asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Michael S.
>>> White
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 6:57 PM
>>> To: 'Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion'
>>> Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Check this out :(
>>>
>>> I noticed this a while back - My thoughts were.
>>>
>>> Hmmm. I'm sure it will only require 3-4 reboots a day!
>>>
>>> Mike
>>> http://www.8774e4voip.com <http://www.8774e4voip.com/>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Saysan Wrote-
>>> http://www.microsoft.com/responsepoint/default.mspx
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Alex Balashov
>> Evariste Systems
>> Web : http://www.evaristesys.com/
>> Tel : +1-678-954-0670
>> Direct : +1-678-954-0671
>>
>>
>>
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