[asterisk-biz] Check this out :(

[Paul]

Some people mistakenly think that the fatter company with the higher
prices will do a better job.

If I were the buyer, I would prefer to deal with a company that can keep
me up and running. I would want a vendor who is flexible enough to
config and loan me whatever type IP phone he has available so I can keep
going. The big companies think that overnight shipping eliminates the
need for local dealers with service departments. I would rather deal
with someone who can replace things like a CPU or power supply
immediately without voiding some big name manufacturer warranty.

Craig Lawrence wrote:

> Remember that other company that bought Sipura and released a great
> lil unit called the SPA9000. I get regular calls from customers who’ve
> bought that lil unit and now use it as a door stopper.
>
>
> So if they can’t get that system right what makes you think M$ can do
> a better job?
>
> **Craig**
>
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>
> *From:* asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com
> [mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com] *On Behalf Of *bob murphy
> *Sent:* Friday, 12 October 2007 3:45 AM
> *To:* Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
> *Subject:* Re: [asterisk-biz] Check this out :(
>
> And let's not forget the Cisco UC500. I attended an orientation and
> while it is nice to look at, there's no multi site interoperability
> (yeah why destroy call manager and unified messenger revenue), limited
> extension support (32) and you can only use Cisco IP phones. So at 750
> to 900 per extension installed, it's no threat to those of us pursuing
> 50 to 300 seat enterprises. Up in that space, it's the usual suspects
> (Cisco0, Nortel, Shoretel et al) at $1, 000.00 to $1,400.00 per phone
> installed. Oh and no call center at those prices. We should all get
> together and attempt to standardize some pricing models so we all
> continue to enjoy healthy profitability. Technology comes and goes.
> Integration and implementation expertise is always valuable. Just wait
> until it's VOKS! Voice Over Kitchen Sink. Then, my Friends, we will
> need to worry.
>
> Bob Murphy
>
> On 10/11/07, *shadowym* <shadowym at hotmail.com
> <mailto:shadowym at hotmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I get a kick out of people talking about this product like they have been
> using it for years. There aren't even any detailed spec's out and nobody
> really knows the price. It's just Marketecture at this point. The pricing
> they have talked about doesn't include the external PSTN gateway for one
> thing and no talk of optional features which they will of course
> charge more
> for.
>
> And do you really think this thing will "just work" right out of the box
> first revision? Since when has ANYTHING "just worked" from M$ right out of
> the gate or even 2 or 3 revisions later. And we are not talking about
> some
> consumer toy here. It's a business PBX so the bar is MUCH higher and the
> customer MUCH more discerning.
>
> Actually, I seem to recall the same sorts of discussions when Linksys was
> coming out with their SPA9000 and now here we are and nothing has really
> changed. It doesn't work as well as people thought it would. It is more
> expensive than people thought it would be once you put together all the
> pieces and add all the options. This is Linksys/Cisco which has a lot
> more
> telecom experience and focus than M$.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alex Balashov [mailto:abalashov at evaristesys.com
> <mailto:abalashov at evaristesys.com>]
> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 2:48 PM
> To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
> Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Check this out :(
>
>
> Yeah, but it has brand identity and well-defined, ubiquitous purpose and
> performance characteristics. Of course, as you rightly observe, that can
> have nothing to do with intrinsic merit or the monetisation aspect of
> market acceptance (as opposed to the "hype" aspect).
>
> I would wager there is going to be a lot of noise about Microsoft
> telephony systems in the foreseeable future, due to its ability to
> engineer it. But it seems to me like a very inflexible small-office
> PBX; the moment any kind of sophistication or polymorphism is required,
> it's time to look elsewhere for something customisable, open-source and
> multifarious.
>
> And VoIP is kind of like that - look at all the things we are doing with
> it every day that extend far, far outside the domain of traditional PBX
> expectations. Customised IVR systems, data acquisition interfaces, some
> degree of carrier network element functionality and switching,
> translation, routing, peering... a lot of the ingenuity of what is, in the
> end, a business-oriented Asterisk PBX system depends on the ability to
> flexibly integrate this type of functionality.
>
> -- Alex
>
> On Thu, 11 Oct 2007, shadowym wrote:
>
>> The Xbox is just a PC running gaming software for the consumer market.
> They
>> have remained committed to it for years and lost a lot of money in the
>> process. Despite what "impression" you may have by all the advertising
> and
>> hype, they continue to be spanked by Nintendo which sells 2 or 3
> boxes for
>> every one Xbox. Or maybe it's the Sony or maybe both. Can't remember
> which
>> but Google will tell you.
>>
>> The only reason people seem to want it is for online Halo so it's a one
>> trick pony. They just lost a billion dollars on that massive recall for
>> consoles going dead as well.
>>
>> From: Aleks Clark [mailto:aleks.clark at gmail.com
> <mailto:aleks.clark at gmail.com>]
>> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 10:49 AM
>> To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
>> Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Check this out :(
>>
>> I dunno about the core competency...seems the Xbox is doing ok :D
>> On 10/11/07, Alex Balashov <abalashov at evaristesys.com
> <mailto:abalashov at evaristesys.com>
>> <mailto:abalashov at evaristesys.com <mailto:abalashov at evaristesys.com>>
> > wrote:
>>
>> Indeed. We should all so be so lucky as to have an R&D budget 1/128th of
>> that size. I've got lots of stuff I'd like to throw at the wall. I'm
>> sure you do too.
>>
>> On Thu, 11 Oct 2007, shadowym wrote:
>>
>>> I agree,
>>>
>>> M$ is a blaster company. They blast the wall with all sorts of stuff to
>> see
>>> what sticks and if nothing much happens after a year or two they
> move on.
>>> The farther away they are from their core competency the less likey they
>>> will remain committed to making a good product and sticking with it. An
>> IP
>>> PBX is a LONG ways from their core compentency.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Alex Balashov [mailto:abalashov at evaristesys.com
> <mailto:abalashov at evaristesys.com>]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 11:28 PM
>>> To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
>>> Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Check this out :(
>>>
>>>
>>> I am not particularly beset with the impression that the VoIP business
>>> community has anything to fear from this product or the particular
>>> vendor's attempt to enter the space.
>>>
>>> On Mon, 10 Sep 2007, Derrick Moennick wrote:
>>>
>>>> Looks like just another strong player entering into the IP telephony
>>>> world to make sure the world goes this route.
>>>>
>>>> Derrick
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com
> <mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com>
>>>> [mailto: <mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com
> <mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com>>
>> asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com
> <mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com>] On Behalf Of Michael S.
>>>> White
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 6:57 PM
>>>> To: 'Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion'
>>>> Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Check this out :(
>>>>
>>>> I noticed this a while back - My thoughts were.
>>>>
>>>> Hmmm. I'm sure it will only require 3-4 reboots a day!
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>> http://www.8774e4voip.com <http://www.8774e4voip.com/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Saysan Wrote-
>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/responsepoint/default.mspx
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Alex Balashov
>>> Evariste Systems
>>> Web : http://www.evaristesys.com/
>>> Tel : +1-678-954-0670
>>> Direct : +1-678-954-0671
>>>
>>>
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>> --
>> Alex Balashov
>> Evariste Systems
>> Web : http://www.evaristesys.com/
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