[asterisk-biz] Re: OT: Gore Still Ahead

[Matthew Rubenstein]

	Can we please have some kind of "But Clinton..." just to complete your
raving caricature of a Republican insisting on an offtopic flamewar,
that you refused to take to private email when invited politely? Maybe a
"Gore's a treehugger terrorist" or something just so you don't miss any
talking points...


On Thu, 2006-09-28 at 15:25 -0400, C F wrote:
> Just for the record, and what are YOU doing now?
> And what is this:
> http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/1/25/165244.shtml
> 
> 
> On 9/28/06, C. Savinovich <c.savinovich at itntelecom.com> wrote:
> >
> >    Let me add to this interesting thread, that it is in the interest of
> > the present administration to discredit anything and anyone from the
> > Clinton administration... the reason is because the last thing they want
> > is to have the Clintons back in the White House... be aware of smearing
> > campaigns circulating on the Internet and the media nowadays...
> >
> > CS
> >
> >
> >
> > Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
> > > On Thu, Sep 28, 2006 at 10:39:41AM -0400, C F wrote:
> > >>>>                                                    Since the whole
> > >>>> paragraph only speaks about the Intenet in that one sentence (I took
> > >>>> the initiative.....), then it's NOT out of context to say that he
> > >>>> claimed he invented the Internet.
> > >>> Again, no, it's not out of context.  It's merely incorrect.
> > >>>
> > >>> If one chooses to interpret Gore's usage of "Internet" to mean "the
> > >>> commercial Internet that we have today", then yes, the initiatives he
> > >>> worked on, including NREN, probably had a lot to do with it.
> > >> OK, I'm listening, since this was on TV in English, can you explain
> > >> what other meaning Internet has in the English language?
> > >>
> > >> This is my source, which disagrees with your English interpretation
> > >> for the word Internet:
> > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet
> > >
> > > "The Internet is the largest equivalence class in the reflexive
> > > transitive symmetric closure of the relationship "can be reached by an
> > > IP packet from".
> > > --Seth Breidbart
> > >
> > > But for our purposes here, The Internet is a large commercial network
> > > service utility to which you can purchase access from any number of
> > > competing vendors, which can carry any traffic, whether commercial or
> > > not, and which has a sufficiently large number of service providers (and
> > > potential clients) attached to it to make it a worthwhile thing to spend
> > > your money connecting to.  (Metcalfe's Law.)
> > >
> > > That's not what it looked like exactly 10 years ago, and one of the
> > > major contributors to that was Gore, and the programs he mentions
> > > championing.
> > >
> > > Asterisk wouldn't exist in anything like it's current form had the
> > > Internet not Gone Commercial, since one of its major selling points is
> > > it's ability to connect with all the commercial VoIP providers we see
> > > on -biz... who wouldn't have a network to get your packets to them
> > > otherwise.
> > >
> > > Is he solely responsible?  No.  Did he have lots of help?  Yes.
> > >
> > > Is he correct to use the phrase "create the Internet" to imply "as we
> > > know it today"?  Clearly, there's a disagreement here.  But let's not
> > > fight that battle over the definition of "is", 'k?
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > -- jra
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