[asterisk-biz] RE: If money is not a consideration who givesthebest SIP termination??

Thu Nov 23 09:39:50 MST 2006

And how do you do this over the public internet?  Do you control the 
routers?  Do they observe your QoS settings?  Do they guarantee a 
certain router will not have too much latency or packets will arrive in 
the same order or even traverse the same path?  No they dont. 

"Make the network the VoIP is running over better." is pretty difficult 
when you do not control the network (ie the internet) and when data is 
handed off between ISPs, it becomes impossible.  Do a traceroute to just 
about anything and you will see that your traffic is going over multiple 
routers owned by multiple companies and tinkered with by multitudes of 
techs on daily basis.

As I said, TDM or point to point data links are the only way to go if 
price is not an issue. 

Convince me otherwise. 

Thanks,
Steve Totaro

Mike Hammett wrote:
> What's the point in using TDM anymore.  Your problem with the quality 
> isn't with VoIP itself, but what it's running over.  Make the network 
> the VoIP is running over better.
>
>
> ----
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Totaro" 
> <stotaro at asteriskhelpdesk.com>
> To: "Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion" 
> <asterisk-biz at lists.digium.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 12:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] RE: If money is not a consideration who 
> givesthebest SIP termination??
>
>
>> If money was not a consideration then why would you go with SIP at 
>> all unless it is coming over point to point data links?
>> Global Crossing offers SIP service but the cost is basically the same 
>> as TDM (at least with our agreement) and comes as dedicated 
>> bandwidth.  The upside of this is no TDM equipment on our end such as 
>> Sangoma or Digium cards and dedicated servers to translate our DS3 
>> (28 T1s) into SIP (a fairly large hardware investment, although, 
>> small in the TDM world).  I also assume that calls delivered by a 
>> major carrier over dedicated lines would have absolutely no echo 
>> issues and negligable ping times as well (another huge plus).
>>
>> Why risk SIP over the public internet if money is not a consideration 
>> but quality is?  The answer there is TDM.
>>
>> That being said, if money *is* an issue but so is quality (knowing 
>> the trade-offs, ins and outs of VoIP), who can offer origination and 
>> termination with LNP of 1,000 toll free numbers and approx 5million 
>> minutes a month?  Mostly inbound toll free for a call center 
>> application and outbound of about 1million minutes (quickly ramping 
>> up) of outbound LD to the US 48 for a calling card application?  We 
>> could easily see 10 million minutes in the next six months or so.
>>
>> On top of that, who if anyone can offer a co-lo in the DC metro area 
>> (other areas considered) to keep latency down?
>>
>> If anyone can do that, I would LOVE to talk to you.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Steve
>>
>>
>>
>> jay kordic wrote:
>>>
>>> I have multiple partners that are USA based companies and resell USA 
>>> Tier 1 networks such as Verizon/MCI, Level 3/Broadwing, Qwest and 
>>> Global Crossing. Most of these resellers have no minimum commitment, 
>>> bill by LATA/OCN and can mix and match underlying carriers for both 
>>> cost effectiveness and redundancy. Please contact me to discuss a 
>>> program that could be a great fit for you. At least give me an 
>>> opportunity.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jay Kordic
>>>
>>> The Horizon Group
>>>
>>> Wholesale/Retail VOIP and TDM services
>>>
>>> 951-780-3131 (office)
>>>
>>> 951-850-0887 (mobile)
>>>
>>> 515-322-0273 (fax)
>>>
>>> MSN IM-jaykordic at hotmail.com
>>>
>>> Yahoo IM-jaykordic at yahoo.com
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com 
>>> [mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com] *On Behalf Of *Alan 
>>> Frisch
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 22, 2006 12:57 PM
>>> *To:* asterisk-biz at lists.digium.com
>>> *Subject:* [asterisk-biz] RE: If money is not a consideration who 
>>> gives thebest SIP termination??
>>>
>>>
>>> Forgive me if I've had me head in the sand for too long... but when 
>>> did Bulgaria become a part of the United States?
>>>
>>>
>>>     Hello Mike,
>>>
>>>     We are a US carrier offering excellent quality A-Z termination,
>>>     servicing
>>>     successfully retail corporate and individual networks for over 6
>>>     years.
>>>
>>>     Please contact me offline to discuss in details.
>>>
>>>     Thanks and best regards,
>>>
>>>     Albena Trencheva
>>>     Nutel Communications LLC
>>>     Tel: +359 2 4900442
>>>     Mob; +359 88 843 31 97
>>>     Email:  <mailto:atrencheva at nutel.cc <mailto:atrencheva at nutel.cc>>
>>>     atrencheva at nutel.cc <mailto:atrencheva at nutel.cc>
>>>     <http://www.nutel.cc/> www.nutel.cc <http://www.nutel.cc>
>>>
>>>
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