[asterisk-biz] END of FRAUD -> this is 100% going to work

Mon Nov 6 19:46:42 MST 2006

It still doesn't make any difference. My two rules apply.

Sue all you wish and win. That does not guarantee you will actually
collect the money.

In most cases of criminal fraud the guy gets punished but the victims
are lucky to get even a portion of their money back.

Bob Smith wrote:

> i think its outside of the legal jurisdiction that was meant
>
> meaning don't do business with people outside your county or have 0
> way to get your due.
>
> not a racial thing more like a boundary one..
>
> hey still can happen with your neighbor's but you can sue his ass..
> wich you can't when outside your country unless its over 50k  then
> wire fraud act comes in..
>
>
> Paul wrote:
>
>> 100% agreed. My neighbors could do just as much harm as somebody on the
>> other side of the world.
>>
>> Rule 1 - Read the rules carefully for paypal and credit card merchant
>> accounts you have.
>>
>> Rule 2 - Never risk funds you need to operate.
>>
>> Suppose you take a local check and use a check guarantee service. First
>> thing to consider is that some of those services have a maximum amount
>> they will guarantee. Second thing to consider is the delay involved in
>> finally getting the funds. So assume that they will guarantee a $10k
>> check which turns out to be bad. Assume that it takes at least a month
>> to get the $10k. What impact would it have on your business?
>>
>> I welcome international clients. I will take the risks I can afford to
>> take. Beyond that it's usually a matter of western union or wire
>> transfer confirmed by my bank. The only advantage locals have is that
>> they can also pay with cash or gold :)
>>
>> What it comes down to is that if I'm in the mood to do 20 hours work on
>> credit for a new customer, I won't discriminate as long as they can
>> communicate in english or spanish. Anybody else has to pay the
>> translator.
>>
>> Henry.L.Coleman wrote:
>>
>>  
>>
>>> I appriciate that you and almost everyone in any business has had their
>>> fare share of bad customers. But I find your premise that somehow or
>>> other
>>> these people are more prevalent in one country than in another as
>>> rediculious. You should know by now that these people are always around
>>> and represent a small percentage of any population. So lets get off
>>> this
>>> tack, 95% of people in the world are honest hard working people.
>>>
>>>
>>> Henry
>>> *VoIP-PBX* 1-866-415-5355
>>> Toronto Ontario
>>> Canada
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>    
>>>
>>>> nice CDR records showed me a generator of sip channel numbers..
>>>> thank mofu
>>>>       
>>>
>>> >from asteroid.. nice going now you got all of us being targets of
>>> DOShack,
>>> >from your nice tool.. however, back to the facts..
>>>    
>>>
>>>> 5 attempts from cambodge fool that will not make us BLOCK anyone not
>>>> USA/Canada, sorry guys you proved wrong for your people. as with
>>>> terrorist
>>>> attacks,we will not help anyone from these risk countries making
>>>> covert
>>>> calls .
>>>>
>>>> We are not Accepting any more clients not in CANADA/USA/
>>>> sorry..Especially
>>>> with the new ACT Mr president signed. anyone who even remotely
>>>> could even
>>>> without knowlege help these mofo's will /can /could be emprisonned,
>>>> tortured
>>>> and put to death without any hearing/trial or defense whatsoever.
>>>>
>>>> so not wanting to put ourselves into this situation we have no
>>>> choice but
>>>> to
>>>> BLOCK any one not considered (by us) safe.
>>>>
>>>> Data from last attempt:
>>>> 519328:Nov  5 03:50:56 DEBUG[18889] chan_sip.c: build_route:
>>>> Contact hop:
>>>> <
>>>> sip:7224040048 at 124.108.50.123:47286>
>>>> 519357:Nov  5 03:50:59 DEBUG[12093] pbx.c: Function result is
>>>> '"SIP/${EXTEN:5}" <7224040048>'
>>>> 519358:Nov  5 03:50:59 DEBUG[12093] pbx.c: Function result is
>>>> '7224040048'
>>>>
>>>> CDR:
>>>>
>>>> 2006-11-05 03:26:13 "SIP/${EXTEN:5}" <7224040048> 7224040048
>>>> 0014152855895  2006-11-05
>>>> 03:26:26 "SIP/${EXTEN:5}" <7224040048> 7224040048 0014152855895
>>>>  2006-11-05 03:26:35 "SIP/${EXTEN:5}" <7224040048> 7224040048
>>>> 14152875589  2006-11-05
>>>> 03:26:42 "SIP/${EXTEN:5}" <7224040048> 7224040048 00014152855895
>>>> 2006-11-05
>>>> 03:50:39 "SIP/${EXTEN:5}" <7224040048> 7224040048 001185512576476
>>>> 2006-11-05
>>>> 03:50:56 "SIP/${EXTEN:5}" <7224040048> 7224040048 14152855895
>>>>
>>>> notice the CLID with ${EXTEN} in it lol can't even make it work.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *inetnum*:      124.108.48.0 - 124.108.55.255
>>>> netname:      CAMINTELNET
>>>> descr:        National Telecommunication Service Provider, Phnom Penh,
>>>> Cambodia
>>>>
>>>> AGAIN we apologies but will not go down from these kind of
>>>> practices., PS:
>>>> if you live outside the range we propose get yourself a ITSP in your
>>>> contry
>>>> or start one.
>>>>
>>>> Then again maybe that could put you as a target.
>>>>
>>>> ANY attempts to defraud our company has and will continue to be
>>>> CC:'ed to
>>>> FBI,  Office in the corresponding number dialed when in USA .
>>>> We CC Rcmp for Canada.
>>>>
>>>> Now with the new act up , and voip hacking/defrauding being part of
>>>> the
>>>> WIRE
>>>> FRAUD act.. i woudnt want to be in the place of these MOFO's in the
>>>> first
>>>> place.
>>>>
>>>> We will implement Other means also, but these would not be
>>>> appropriate to
>>>> post in the first place.
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Mike
>>>> Sales Manager
>>>> http://www.theclubvoip.com
>>>> Making it happen
>>>> USA 1.877.807.VOIP (8647)
>>>> CDN 1-514-312-7030
>>>> -- 
>>>> Mike
>>>> Sales Manager
>>>> http://www.theclubvoip.com
>>>> Making it happen
>>>> 1.877.807.VOIP (8647)
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