[asterisk-biz] Re: asterisk-biz Digest, Vol 23, Issue 6

Fri Jun 2 14:06:47 MST 2006

Hi,

I need to learn how what are the Do's and Don'ts to be followed for Uploading Rates in to the Billing System and How one should follow LCR.

Can some one help me with this?

P. Patel

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: 800# needed in US and UK (Zac Amsler)
   2. Re: asterisk-biz Digest, Vol 23, Issue 5 (levi at citiprice.com)
   3. Re: 800# needed in US and UK (Erick Perez)
   4. VoicePulse pricing encourages large number of accounts was:
      VoicePulse engaged in very dubious business practices (Mike Fedyk)
   5. Re: Asterisk Security (Alejandro Lengua)
   6. Re: Asterisk Interoperability Product Tester Needed (S. A. Kamran)

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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 11:16:49 -0500
From: Zac Amsler 

Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] 800# needed in US and UK
To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion

Message-ID: <44806471.4080008 at netiqsys.net>
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Inbound channels are easy to do as most carriers offer that product, so 
to resell channels is a snap. Just remember that if you have a call that 
comes in when those incoming channels are full, it will get a busy 
signal. You can normally figure between $20-$30 per channel for incoming 
only.

Outbound is a bit tricky as providers have to pay a per minute rate to 
99% of the carriers. If someone does give per channel pricing, they are 
taking the risk of you do not cost them more than they are collecting 
from you.

For example if you told me that you were going to be on the phone for 8
hours a day calling the US, I would have to figure:
8hrs X 60 minutes X 20 business days/mo = 9600 minutes/mo per channel.
If all of those calls were going to the US, I would charge $100/channel 
outbound US48. Not a good deal

IMO You would be best off with a per minute plan so you pay for what you 
use and nothing more. Normally these per minute plans offer unlimited 
channels.

I am able to provide toll free US Origination, US 48 Termination and A-Z 
Termination.

Please contact me off list if you are interested.

Cheers,
-- 
Zac Amsler, Network Operations
NetIQ Systems, LLC www.netiqsys.net 
US48 $.013/min, Canada OnNet $.008, Competitive A-Z Rates.
Please Contact for more information.

Erick Perez wrote:
> Hi,
> I haven't ordered any 800# numbers in the past for my customers, so
> please explain you offer a little bit.
> 
> One of my customers is a Call Center. They need 800# in US and in the
> UK to be routed to their asterisk box via SIP or IAX2.
> 
> The client has 9 agents initially for the inbound (but currently 50
> agents for outbound) and want a 3:1 ratio, so that means 27
> simultaneous calls. Expected to grow to 75 agents doing inbound.
> 
> Please include your setup fees and your monthly charges.
> Does vanity numbers have an extra charge?
> 
> Thanks,
> 

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Message: 2
Date: 2 Jun 2006 11:07:05 -0500
From: levi at citiprice.com
Subject: [asterisk-biz] Re: asterisk-biz Digest, Vol 23, Issue 5
To: asterisk-biz at lists.digium.com
Message-ID:
 <20060602160705.32280.qmail at 216-55-183-232.dedicated.abac.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

We will be closed in observance of the Shavu'ot holiday on Friday, June 2.  We will respond to any messages on Monday morning.  Thank you for contacting CitiPrice!

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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 12:01:10 -0500
From: "Erick Perez" 
Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] 800# needed in US and UK
To: "Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion"

Message-ID:

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My customer told me that they want people in the US to call to an 800#
and then the calls should be routed to his asterisk machine using
SIP/IAX2 and ulaw/alaw/g729.
Outbound is being done with another carrier at the moment for 1.2 US48
so he is seeking inbound at the moment (unless you can beat 1.2).

Thanks,

On 6/2/06, Zac Amsler 
 wrote:
> Inbound channels are easy to do as most carriers offer that product, so
> to resell channels is a snap. Just remember that if you have a call that
> comes in when those incoming channels are full, it will get a busy
> signal. You can normally figure between $20-$30 per channel for incoming
> only.
>
> Outbound is a bit tricky as providers have to pay a per minute rate to
> 99% of the carriers. If someone does give per channel pricing, they are
> taking the risk of you do not cost them more than they are collecting
> from you.
>
> For example if you told me that you were going to be on the phone for 8
> hours a day calling the US, I would have to figure:
> 8hrs X 60 minutes X 20 business days/mo = 9600 minutes/mo per channel.
> If all of those calls were going to the US, I would charge $100/channel
> outbound US48. Not a good deal
>
> IMO You would be best off with a per minute plan so you pay for what you
> use and nothing more. Normally these per minute plans offer unlimited
> channels.
>
> I am able to provide toll free US Origination, US 48 Termination and A-Z
> Termination.
>
> Please contact me off list if you are interested.
>
> Cheers,
> --
> Zac Amsler, Network Operations
> NetIQ Systems, LLC www.netiqsys.net 
> US48 $.013/min, Canada OnNet $.008, Competitive A-Z Rates.
> Please Contact for more information.
>
>
> Erick Perez wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I haven't ordered any 800# numbers in the past for my customers, so
> > please explain you offer a little bit.
> >
> > One of my customers is a Call Center. They need 800# in US and in the
> > UK to be routed to their asterisk box via SIP or IAX2.
> >
> > The client has 9 agents initially for the inbound (but currently 50
> > agents for outbound) and want a 3:1 ratio, so that means 27
> > simultaneous calls. Expected to grow to 75 agents doing inbound.
> >
> > Please include your setup fees and your monthly charges.
> > Does vanity numbers have an extra charge?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
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-- 

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Erick Perez
Linux User 376588
http://counter.li.org/  (Get counted!!!)
Panama, Republic of Panama

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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 10:59:28 -0700
From: Mike Fedyk 
Subject: [asterisk-biz] VoicePulse pricing encourages large number of
 accounts was: VoicePulse engaged in very dubious business practices
To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion

Message-ID: <44807C80.4060109 at mikefedyk.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

David Pollak wrote:
> Turns out that I hadn't canceled one of the DIDs on one of my 
> VoicePulse accounts.
I believe this is the original cause of this entire episode for VoicePulse.

They charge $11 per DID with a limit of 4 concurrent calls per account.  
If you want to increase that, it is $20/mo per additional concurrent 
call, so it becomes $31/mo to have 5 concurrent calls available.  This 
encourages having each DID in a separate account.  Which makes managing 
all of the accounts harder.

Also, if you have a DID, each outbound call uses a channel that could be 
used for incoming calls.  If you use all channels for outbound, you 
won't receive any calls from the DID.  I have not used their service so 
I don't know if they have done something to make having a lot of 
accounts easy, but after looking at their pricing, I can understand why 
he had a lot of accounts.

I don't understand the logic of the limit of concurrent calls.  If you 
are charging per minute (and they do for outbound calls) why not allow 
use of as many channels as requested and make money on the minutes?

I am not trying to attack anyone, but I would like to see if VoicePulse 
has a response to this, and possibly change their pricing so they won't 
have an incentive to have limits on calls.

Mike

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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:05:51 -0500
From: "Alejandro Lengua" 
Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Asterisk Security
To: "Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion"

Message-ID:
 <1350f9d90606021105t77c0ecd5q30036d1777c485e0 at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

http://www.red-lemon.net/pages/Voip.htm

The company on the above link have some ATAs and voip phones with
an encryption button.

On 6/1/06, Daniel Mossinato  wrote:
> Dear friends,
>
> Good morning.
> This is my first post on this list, so I would like to introduce me.
>
> My name is Daniel Mossinato and I'm an IT Mananger in Brazil, Sï¿½o Paulo.
> I'm running an Asterisk for the company where I work to use as an "internal
> communicator". I have some extensions and no external lines. The partners
> use this solution to talk between each other.
> I have a new scenario since two of the partners will travel and they want to
> use the extension outside of the company. The only solution I've found is a
> VPN. They would connect from hotels or other offices and they concern is
> about somebody listening the conversation.
>
> Do you have any suggestion of a device which supports OpenVPN? It could be
> an gateway (ATA) or a ip phone.
>
>
> Thank you very much
> Sorry about my english
>

>

-- 
Atentamente / Kind regards

Alejandro Lengua,
Virtual Orbis eBusiness Services

www.virtualorbis.com, www.vohosting.com

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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 23:13:26 +0500
From: "S. A. Kamran" 
Subject: [asterisk-biz] Re: Asterisk Interoperability Product Tester
 Needed
To: Cory at voipsupply.com,  "Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk
 Discussion" 
Message-ID:
 <8111c5580606021113q2572687ew4a8d7b9e5a015466 at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Dear Mr Cory,

In case you need to develop some specialized piece of software. Do contact me.

Regards,
Kamran

On 6/2/06, Cory Andrews  wrote:
> Looking for a freelance individual, gadget freak, with Asterisk know-how, to
> perform product configuration and interoperability testing with Asterisk and
> SIP based VoIP services.  Blogging skills a plus.
>
>
>
> Job entails testing the latest/greatest SIP phones, WIFI phones, ATAs and
> Gateways.  Interested parties should have an organized lab or workspace, be
> detail oriented, with good organizational and problem solving skills.
>
>
>
> If interested, please shoot me an email.  Creative compensation, per
> project, is available.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Cory Andrews
>
> Executive Vice President
>
> ++++++++++++++++++
>
> VoIPSupply.com
>
> PBXSelect.com
>
> ++++++++++++++++++
>
> 454 Sonwil Drive
>
> Buffalo, NY 14225
>
> voice - 800.398.VoIP X3402
>
> fax - 716.630.1548
>
> e - Cory at VoIPSupply.com
>
> m - 716.907.4059
>
> aim - B2Cory
>
>
>
>
>

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