[asterisk-biz] Rant: Wannabe "carriers" please tell the truth orlive up to expectations.

Paul ast2005 at 9ux.com
Wed Feb 1 13:48:53 MST 2006


Have you asked voip providers like vonage or voicepulse to quote rates
for your volume?

Script Head wrote:

> That's a good question. When I am talking about a Tier-1 I am assuming
> that company that provides VoIP termination can accept a VoIP call and
> terminate it directly to a Tier-1 TDM carrier like Level3.
>
>
> On 2/1/06, *Rusty Dekema* <rdekema at gmail.com
> <mailto:rdekema at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Please excuse my unfamiliarity with the industry, but what constitutes
>     a "Tier 1" VoIP carrier? Are we talking RBOCs/CLECs only? Would (for
>     example) Level3 count?
>
>     Does the carrier have to terminate the calls via TDM directly from
>     the
>     customer-facing VoIP server? Can the carrier pass the calls over their
>     own IP network to a different server before putting the call on a TDM
>     circuit? (And etc...)
>
>     I certainly understand the difference between a "good" and "crappy"
>     VoIP outfit; I am just curious as to what exactly is required for a
>     company to be considered a "Tier 1" VoIP carrier.
>
>     -Rusty
>
>
>
>
>
>     On 2/1/06, Script Head < scripthead at gmail.com
>     <mailto:scripthead at gmail.com>> wrote:
>     > I am in a process of doing exactly that. In fact, last weeks
>     experiences
>     > have driven me to talk directy to Tier-1 carriers.
>     >
>     > The sad part is, even at the point where I was pushing less than
>     1/2 million
>     > minutes per month, many carriers couldn't handle the traffic. It
>     was always
>     > something: lack of avaiable bandwith, crashing servers or codecs,
>     > downtime... It seem that the majority of "carriers" aren't even
>     prepared to
>     > handle traffic like that.
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > On 2/1/06, Alex Pui <alex.pui at act-labs.com
>     <mailto:alex.pui at act-labs.com>> wrote:
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >
>     > > Script Head,
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >
>     > > I am not a "carrier", but I think the question would be, if
>     you are buying
>     > more volume than most of the "carrier" here, why would you deal
>     with them?
>     > Just trying to insult them that they are not "quality"provider.
>     I think you
>     > should deal with tier 1 carrier by yourself.
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >
>     > > Or do I miss anything?
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >
>     > > Alex
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >
>     > > ________________________________
>     >
>     > >
>     > > From: asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com
>     <mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com>
>     > [mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com
>     <mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com>] On Behalf Of
>     > Script Head
>     > > Sent: February 1, 2006 10:30 AM
>     > > To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
>     > > Subject: [asterisk-biz] Rant: Wannabe "carriers" please tell
>     the truth
>     > orlive up to expectations.
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >
>     > > If you're in the business of providing termination services
>     (some at
>     > incredibly low prices), please read this.
>     > >
>     > > I have dealt with many so called carriers over the last couple
>     of months,
>     > almost all of them are present on this list. I am always clear
>     about my
>     > calling patterns and expected volume.  Everyone wants the
>     minutes and always
>     > say "oh we can take all you can send" and always lie about or
>     underestimate
>     > your capacity. When I send 50 or more channels, you choke. Some
>     have choked
>     > at 20 channels, some even less. You might have enough channels
>     committed
>     > form your "upstream provider" but you don't have enough
>     bandwidth to accept
>     > the calls and send them to your upstream. I am almost sure that
>     the majority
>     > didn't do any scalability testing.
>     > >
>     > > The points are:
>     > >
>     > > 1. If you're a reseller of a reseller with a 10+ domestic
>     "carriers"
>     > loaded in your LCR, you are not a quality provider.
>     > > 2. If you do have Tier-1 upstreams, you shouldn't have a
>     problem revealing
>     > that information. If you have a problem doing that, you're using
>     > bottom-of-the-barrel carriers.
>     > > 3. If your entire infrastructure consits on a leased box on Cogent
>     > bandwith "burstable to 100 mbit", you're not a qualitity
>     provider. Nobody in
>     > their right mind will let you burst from 1 mbit to 100 for
>     $59.95 per month.
>     > > 4. When someone asks you for a commitment of N number of
>     channels, you
>     > better damn have them or say straight out you can't do it.
>     > >
>     > > I think it should be also a normal practice to make iptraf
>     avaiable to a
>     > potential customer so he can test the amount of bandwidth (and
>     burst) you
>     > have available.
>     > >
>     > > ScriptHead
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