[Asterisk-biz] Tomtelecom

[Alex Pui]

Ted,

I think Darren's question is more than if Bob is still in business or not,
he was asking if that was a mistake if he has prepaid a bunch of service.
Would that be reliable and good service, would Bob go down before the
prepaid was used up etc.

This email is more objective, you were not in the same position as Darren,
you have never prepaid any service to Bob.

Alex

-----Original Message-----
From: asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com
[mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Ted Gibson
Sent: November 19, 2005 5:58 PM
To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
Subject: RE: [Asterisk-biz] Tomtelecom

I'm pretty sure Bob is still in business.
He got me IM late Thursday night asking me if I could route 3 DS3 to Mexico
for him.
He also tried to talk me into a couple for routes and wanted to get prepaid.
I told him the last 4 times I tried to work with him it didn't work out so
there was no way I would prepay him.
I haven't heard from him since then.

I'm pretty sure he's in business.

Ted Gibson






-----Original Message-----
From: asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com
[mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com]On Behalf Of trixter aka
Bret McDanel
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 5:33 PM
To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion;
alex.pui at act-labs.com
Subject: RE: [Asterisk-biz] Tomtelecom


On Sat, 2005-11-19 at 17:17 -0800, Alex Pui wrote:
> >If the company is no longer there, they may not even be prepared to
dispute
> the >chargeback which means by default you get it, however there are some
> >circumstances where this wont be the case.  Its worth a try :)
>
>
> The above statement can be misleading. When the credit card has paid the
> money to the company that has gone for good (if the company is not that
new,
> the bank would not hold a large amount for a long period of time), and the
> bank now will look at your charge back claim very "carefully" to find the
> way to disallow it.
>
perhaps, that is one of the circumstances that I spoke of, usually if
you are quick you can get it though.  Depending on the agreement and
applicable laws (different states have local laws that apply to
residents of those states so its a quagmire) the bank may have to take
the hit for merchant fraud or general failure to provide what was paid
for.  And its upto the bank to try to get the money from the person.
Other countries I dont know I havent looked at all into the credit laws
of other countries.


> If the service is not easy to quantify, and you have receive part of them,
> tough luck, your claim will be dismissed.
>
You have to do all or nothing, agreed, however becuase of that many
banks (mine included in that list) will refund all if its merchant fraud
(ie you got charged but didnt get goods).  I recently went through this
with a merchant, my bank had no problems with the fact that some of what
I was charged I owe, they refuned everything ...  Now, if the merchant
doesnt have a bank account anymore (becuase you waited too long or they
did everything to hide their impending doom) then it becomes a lot
harder.  The reality is that the merchant does sign a contract that
holds them liable for chargebacks even if that results in a negative
balance.

If you wait you are surely not going to get anything, but it doesnt hurt
to at least try.

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