[Asterisk-biz] Double standards with netfone.ca.

[Storm D. J. Petersen]

Really,

What is stopping a "dishonest" person from doing that with a linksys voip
router?  You can have sip clients to it.  That is a double standard.

It's just the old CONTROL issues that come up when a new technology comes
in.  I remember Telephone companies trying to limit how many handsets you
could have in your house.  ISP's trying to control how many pc's attached to
your network.

S.

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Alex Pui
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 6:26 PM
To: 'Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion'
Subject: RE: [Asterisk-biz] Double standards with netfone.ca.

I wonder if Vonage or AT & T will also have the double standard? I guess as
long as the cost is based on usage, there have to be a control on usage, no
matter how you call it otherwise the "dishonest "guys will take advantage.

Even at this moment, you might want to install an Asterisk for your mom's
personal use, but if it is not so inconvenient for you to add your aunt, and
later your uncle and even anyone you know, and NO cost to you, I am afraid
many of us will become "dishonest".

Just like many years ago, I went to Las Vegas show and I need to bring many
computers and monitors which cost me 1/3 to 1/2 just for the transportation.
And then I find a smart guy get the equipments (latest model) from the local
shops and after the show, he returned them to the shop and to get his
refund. 

Someone must stop the no question asked in LV shops and can you claim this a
double standard?

Alex
-----Original Message-----
From: asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com
[mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Storm D. J.
Petersen
Sent: June 7, 2005 9:08 AM
To: 'Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion'
Subject: RE: [Asterisk-biz] Double standards with netfone.ca.

Not that I see. http://www.netfone.ca has no mention of PBX or Asterisk in
their home plan or terms of service.

I disagree about what hardware/software you use.  That's not their concern
unless it's a support issue.  If they want to limit minutes or concurrent
calls out they can do so at their end.  Besides, it's a futile thing to try
to attempt to do anyways.  Back to my past comment - it's like the old ISPs
trying to limit you to one PC per internet connection.


S.

-----Original Message-----
From: asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com
[mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of
alex at pilosoft.com
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 4:44 PM
To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
Subject: RE: [Asterisk-biz] Double standards with netfone.ca.

On Mon, 6 Jun 2005, Michael Giagnocavo wrote:

> >People who use asterisk have an ability to do far more traffic *because
> >you can be multiplexing lots of customers' traffic* than just one
> >customer with a phone handset.
> >
> >-alex
> 
> Um, and your point is? Their Terms of Service should handle that. If you
> sign up for "unlimited" at $13 and then use 10K minutes, they need to
> figure that out. Just because you "might" go over the X amount of
> "unlimited" minutes is silly.
The terms of service *say that*. Got asterisk? No unlimited for you. 
Broadvoice does that. There are very few companies that *don't* do that - 
and they are setting themselves up for abuse by dishonest users.

> So, yes, charging more 'cause you use Asterisk is stupid. They should
> charge more for overuse, support, etc. They should not charge based on
> the UserAgent. That's like software vendors that charge more cause you
> are running a "server" OS.
But you can't charge for 'overuse' or 'support' when your main business
model is to provide 'unlimited residential service'. You have two classes 
of users: ones that fit your business model (grandma with an ATA) and ones 
that don't (asterisk noob). It is perfectly fine to discriminate against 
ones that are far more likely to abuse your service.

-alex

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