[Asterisk-biz] asterisk as outbound dialer only

Thu Feb 3 12:32:18 MST 2005

I think this list is confused with the users-list - mmmm maybe not, maybe
the geeks are the smarter folk!

Rob 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com 
> [mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of C W Nel
> Sent: 03 February 2005 21:14
> To: 'Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion'
> Subject: RE: [Asterisk-biz] asterisk as outbound dialer only
> 
> Is this professional/business people having a discussion here?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com
> [mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com]On Behalf Of Paul
> Sent: 03 February 2005 20:55
> To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
> Subject: Re: [Asterisk-biz] asterisk as outbound dialer only
> 
> 
> Preston Garrison wrote:
> 
> > Your posting it in hopes people will come down their and do 
> something. 
> > enough said.  I am sick of tired of hearing people thinking the 
> > solution to a phone call, or the fact they have to delete 
> an email is 
> > violence.  It makes them much worse then the person who sent it.
> >
> So if a small guy goes into a bar and says things to a huge 
> guy that provoke him to violence, we focus all our attention 
> on the violence and ignore the fact that it was deliberately provoked.
> 
> Actions speak louder than words and what these people are 
> saying by their actions is "I dare you to find me and kick my ass".
> 
> I never said that I would actually post the address. Just 
> suggesting it to the slimebuckets is enough. The mere thought 
> of it is distressing to them. That's because they know they 
> are just pissing many, many people off. What I would actually 
> do is get the address verified and then notify them that it 
> will soon be posted in all the right places. So they have to 
> pack up their shit and run. So sad. Too bad.
> 
> > Preston Garrison
> > direct: 877-748-4142
> > fax: 310-774-3901
> > cell: 623-748-4140
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Paul <digium-list at 9ux.com>
> > To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion 
> > <asterisk-biz at lists.digium.com>
> > Sent: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 00:33:33 -0500
> > Subject: Re: [Asterisk-biz] asterisk as outbound dialer only
> >
> > Preston Garrison wrote:
> >
> >> You know I would much rather have a telemarketing call, 
> then knowing
> >
> > > someone like you is out their dishing out vigilante 
> justice. Go back
> >
> >> to iraq!
> >>
> > Preston,
> >
> > Next time you post, try to think for more that 1 or 2 
> seconds before 
> > you type.
> >
> > Iraq has nothing to do with the topic. I am not dishing out 
> vigilante 
> > justice. If you have a valid legitimate business you usually do not 
> > hide your business street address from the general public. 
> If I called 
> > a lot of the readers of this list and "threatened" to post their 
> > business street address on the internet they would tell me 
> "Go ahead.
> > It's already on my website."
> >
> > I doubt that even 1% of the recipients want the calls, faxes and 
> > emails we are talking about. I would certainly feel foolish saying 
> > anything at all in defense of the practices, whether legal 
> or not. I 
> > am no vigilante but definitely proud to be an anti.
> >
> > I am suspicious of those who defend such practices. I suspect that 
> > they have something to lose if it all gets outlawed. If it was 
> > outlawed the way it really should be outlawed people would do some 
> > jail time. Appropriating(without permission) thousands of dollars a 
> > day of other people's communications channels, hardware, personal 
> > time, employee time, fax paper and fax toner is not in 
> harmony with my 
> > way of thinking. We agree to disagree but I am right and 
> you are wrong.
> >
> > --
> > Paul
> >
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Paul <digium-list at 9ux.com>
> >> To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion >
> >
> > <asterisk-biz at lists.digium.com>
> >
> >> Sent: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 21:15:32 -0500
> >> Subject: Re: [Asterisk-biz] asterisk as outbound dialer only
> >>
> >> Alex Pui wrote:
> >>
> >>> At 18:14 2005-2-2 -0500, Frank (INMTE) wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Ok FIRST !
> >>>> You cant use this to spam .. Telco companies USA?CANADA 
> have the >>
> >>>
> >> same >> rule
> >>
> >>>> as to YOU NEED TO HAVE an operator to talk to human if 
> they pick up
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Regardless of what they allow the moral principle is the same. I
> >
> > would > feel better robbing banks for a living than helping > 
> > spammers/faxblasters/telemarketers.
> >
> >>
> >> I got a call this week on a business line. I now answer that line
> >
> > with > "Hello" instead of anything to hint that it is a 
> business. She 
> > asked > who she was speaking with. I asked "Is this a telemarketing 
> > call?". I > got a pause and a click for an answer. I was 
> more annoyed 
> > by that than > the people who just go directly into a sales 
> pitch. I 
> > guess she was > psychic and knew in advance that if she 
> answered I was 
> > not going to > say "That's wonderful because I have been 
> sitting here 
> > all day hoping > somebody would call and try to sell me something."
> >
> >>
> >> I have a cause that I am dedicated to. Every day I try to 
> find the >
> >
> > time to call at least one tollfree number I get from a junk 
> fax or > 
> > spam email. I am not talking about the numbers for removal 
> from the > 
> > list. I call the sales number. Typical conversation:
> >
> >>
> >> Them: "Hello. Can I help you?"
> >>
> >> Me: "I got your message about the email address database. 
> Can I get >
> >
> > one of those CD's today?"
> >
> >>
> >> Them: "Sure! I can place your order and ship it via overnight ...."
> >>
> >> Me: "I need it right away. I have sales reps most cities. I could >
> >
> > probably send someone over with the $250 in cash to pick it 
> up today."
> >
> >>
> >> Them: "We don't operate that way."
> >>
> >> Me: "Too bad because if you did, I would have your street address >
> >
> > posted on the internet by now and you would get to meet 
> lots of new > 
> > friends."
> >
> >>
> >> So far I have not been able to get an address and doubt I 
> ever will. 
> >
> > > They idea is to remind them of how unpopular they are and 
> add a few 
> > > cents to the tollfree bill.
> >
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Are you sure, my kids school will broadcast a message to 
> our phone >
> >>
> >>
> >> without a real human, so do you mean I can complain?
> >>
> >>>
> >> The school has an established relationship with the kids 
> and parents. 
> >
> > > It's not the same as telemarketing to strangers. I'm sure 
> you can >
> > complain but I have no idea of the results you will get.
> 
> 
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