[Asterisk-biz] LiveVoip Multi Channel PBX City Plan

[Preston Garrison]

Before you start babbling, i think you need to find yourself more 
educated. a PRI in a datacenter will run you less then $400 per month, 
it will provide you with 24 channels, with NO PER MINUTE fee. Lets see 
that's less then $20 a month, and you can receive and place as many 
calls as you like.

  Secondly we are using VOIP here people, just because Digium makes some 
of these handy pri cards, why the hell would you even use one. If you 
can get the volume you connect direct to sprint, l3, GBLX, xo, and tons 
of other providers via SIP. There is no per channel fee, and their is 
no limit on what you can do. In fact if you want to pay less then $10 
per channel, you can get unlimited channels from L3 as well, which 
allows you basically unlimited inbound and outbound calling, again with 
NO PER MINUTE FEE.

  Now i understand not everyone has the volume to go direct, but pick 
one of the thousands of VOIP providers out there, that do go direct, 
and get yourself no limits. VOIPs 1.2c/minute seems pretty expensive if 
you are going to start adding in a monthly fee just to place a call. 
That $10/month is almost 1000 minutes of usage at their 1.2c rate, 
which i doubt most people even use. Which means if you do use 1000 
minutes, you are actually paying $.024 cents a minute. All this and you 
get to be with a provider that doesn't have the most glowing reviews.

  This is not a bash on VOIP, because I think they are trying hard to 
get decent products to their consumers. This is more a bash on all you 
stupid, uneducated, asterisk users out there, who are dumb enough to 
fall for the 1.2c a minute rate, and think that's not only what you are 
really paying, but also expect some guy to give you awesome support as 
well.


Oh and there are many many good reasons to go direct via sip to your 
provider.  If you don't know these already do some research.


 Preston Garrison
 direct: 877-748-4142
 fax: 310-774-3901
 cell: 623-748-4140

 -----Original Message-----
 From: Max W Blackmer Jr <max at knowledgepowerit.com>
  To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion 
<asterisk-biz at lists.digium.com>
 Sent: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 10:33:18 -0700
 Subject: RE: [Asterisk-biz] LiveVoip Multi Channel PBX City Plan

 > Am I the only one that doesn't understand this? It seems like you
 > still pay per minut., from the site: with a minimum $19.95 in minutes
 > per channel
 >
 OK, Lets look at this from the point of getting an actual ISDN PRI
 line installed.

 ISDN PRI Line Cost: Approximately $650 a month.

 You have 23 Channels for calling.

 You Pay Approximately $28.26 per channel per month. Plus Per minute
 charges of 4.9 Cents a min.

 Hmmm.. has any one figured out the numbers before Posting what the
 Actual cost is for VoIP it is not as cheap one would think.

 SDSL 1.5Mbps Cost: Approximately $289 a month
 or
 T1 1.5Mbps Cost : Approximately $525 a month More if you want a tear 1
 Provider

  Number of channels using IAX2 Trunk on 1.5Mbps with u/a law: 23 maybe 
24

 Total monthly cost for 23 channels at $19.95: $458.85

 Total minutes at 1.2 Cents a min. for $458.85: 38237.5 Minutes.

 Total Cost for 38237.5 minutes on Regular ISDN PRI: $1873.6375
 ($1873.64 Rounded)

 Total Cost Per Month for ISDN PRI : $2,523.64

 Total Cost Per Month for SDSL 1.5Mbps: $747.85

 Total Cost Per Month for T1 1.5Mbps: $983.85

 Total Savings using VoIP with SDSL over ISDN PRI: Per Month $1,775.79,
 over 12 Months $21,309.48

 Total Savings using VoIP with T1 over ISDN PRI: Per Month $1,539.79,
 over 12 Months $18,477.48


 > Whats the point? Why would i pay per channel, isn't your normal long
 > distance just a pay per minute thing with unlimited channels?

  The point is Channels must be allocated somewhere and someone has to 
pay
 for them. A minimum of $19.95 per channel is a quite a deal when
 considering how much it would cost you to have an actual ISDN PRI
 installed on your end. The provider has to pay for all the channels
 they have into the PSTN networks although they do get discounts and are
  installing OC3 connections to the PSTN networks does not mean they 
don't
 pay for all those connections each month.

 Just some points to ponder before wanting free unlimited connections.
 This will never be a reality even if you use toll bypass by connecting
 directly to another sip or IAX Phone system. You are limited by your
 bandwidth you have and what the other end has for a connection. There
 is also compression but you do loose quality to gain more connections
 that is a sacrifice you choose to make as far as quality. The bottom
 line the more Bandwidth you need the more it will cost you. NOTHING is
 free.

 Thanks for listening,

 Max W. Blackmer, Jr.

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