[Asterisk-biz] Re: Asterisk-Biz Digest, Vol 5, Issue 52

[steve]

You don't get it.   Digium needs the money!   It is all about MONEY and
making money.  Any one can start their own school based upon their knowledge
of Asterisk and I am sure their will lots of people doing that and issuing
their own certification.

Remember, knowledge about Asterisk is not something you can trademark since
it was released open source.   You can teach your own classes and issue your
own certification.   It is like teaching C++.  

WHAT you can't do is make your course with the EXACT material that Digium
uses in their courses.   That would be copyright violation unless you have
their written permission. 

In the end, the end user only cares if you make his system work to his
standards and he/she wants to make sure you can fix it if it breaks.



Steve
Attorney at law

-----Original Message-----
From: asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com
[mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Samudra E. Haque
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 9:48 PM
To: asterisk-biz at lists.digium.com
Subject: [Asterisk-biz] Re: Asterisk-Biz Digest, Vol 5, Issue 52

hi,

Instead of a hosted course at a suitable teaching center, I would like to
suggest an online instructor-led tutorial session (say, at the most 2 weeks,
each working day) at a time suitable to cover most of the major market in
the world time zones. (such as East Asia, South Asia, West Asia, Mid-East,
Med, EU, US/East, US/Central, US/West). The same course materials need to
taught by instructors who would have to be obviously interested to teach at
the particular time zone they are contracted for.

In these days flying to/from locations to attend certification courses is
plain stupid and counter-productive for a small scale app such as Asterisk.
I just setup my own asterisk server, and got connected to leading telecom
networks in almost no time flat, and I don't have any telecom background at
all.. just the support of the Wiki and the mailing list, and not even
reading a page of code at all. At this time, I am having more problems with
number plans and dial plans than Asterisk itself, and this could be a very
interesting module to attend to, if I had access to a learned teacher, which
I would want to pay $50-100 per module per instance.

However, I do agree that the 'testing' needs to be standardised, and the way
to do that in the era of the internet is (look who's talking, I am
http://www.satconexpo.com/speaker_bios.asp?reqEvent=2&ID=1371, and
http://www.digital-review.org/aau09.htm, so I might have made some
contribution somewhere) the "exam" should be to solve a real world case in
the form of an open-book exam, held online at a particular time in the
world.

For example in the Cisco router labs courses, a set of routers are given for
examinees/students to configure according to a network diagram and within a
fixed time frame and specific set of parameters, and the test is if
connectivity flows as required.

Well, if a "testing center" would be willing to host an open-source PBX with
SSH access, examinees would get a finite time to access the system,
load/configure/experiment/turn up the entire system remotely - and believe
me that would setup a good challenge for them to overcome. the trick is to
have the servers in several different networks so that upon completion the
individual working groups of the various exam institutions get to call each
other in a what most probably is a very gratifying experience.

For example, on the of the modules I would be willing to host is a test of a
Asterisk server at the far end of a Satellite connection, representing the
issues faced by newly developed countries -- where bandwidth is at a
premium. For example, we pay $4500-5500  for 1.5M full duplex of bandwidth,
so for your US market players, that is a very different scenario for you to
consider, when extending your network outside of your country through the
internet.

Other issues I would like to know are the SPAN management issues of T1/E1,
dialplans, digits, voicemail etc.

-samudra

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>       (Steve Totaro)
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>       (steve)
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>       (Steve Totaro)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 02:30:47 +0000 GMT
> From: "William Boehlke" <william1664 at vzw.blackberry.net>
> Subject: Re: [Asterisk-biz] Asterisk training and certification ::
> AstriconTraining
> To: "Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion"
> <asterisk-biz at lists.digium.com>
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> All you have to do is pass Digium's test.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shahed <shahed at enoor.com>
> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 01:54:04
> To:Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
<asterisk-biz at lists.digium.com>
> Subject: Re: [Asterisk-biz] Asterisk training and certification ::
Astricon
> Training
>
>
> Hi All,
>
>  From the original mail, it seems that certification would
>
> 1. Help individual contractors who get certified
>     by giving them some credibility,
>
> 2. Perhaps be of some financial benefit to Digium, as the traning is
>     licensed from Digium (?)
>
> Both the above can be looked at as +ve thing for Asterisk.
>
> As for long time contributors (in any form), they should perhaps
> be given automatic certification as a recognition for their efforts.
>
> (But who will decide, who among the 100's or 1000's should get it ? CVS
> commiters maybe ?)
>
> Just my thoughts though.
>
> Regards
> Shahed
> _______________________________________________
> Asterisk-Biz mailing list
> Asterisk-Biz at lists.digium.com
> http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
>
> William Boehlke
> Signate
> www.signate.com
> +1 415.442.4011
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 20:37:45 -0600
> From: "Brian West" <brian at bkw.org>
> Subject: RE: [Asterisk-biz] Recent Training Announcements
> To: "'Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion'"
> <asterisk-biz at lists.digium.com>
> Message-ID: <auto-000002951412 at cgp1.tulsaconnect.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Mark,
> We will do.  I know we have spoke about this and you know my
> concerns and I'm sure you'll get this straightened out...  I put my faith
in
> you to get this fixed up correctly.
>
> Thanks,
> Brian
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-biz-
> > bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Mark Spencer
> > Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 8:49 PM
> > To: asterisk-biz at lists.digium.com
> > Subject: [Asterisk-biz] Recent Training Announcements
> >
> > I actually haven't been subscribed to the Asterisk Biz list until today.
> > I am currently in Paris on (in principle) vacation.  I have heard a
number
> > of comments and concerns about the recent announcement about training.
> > Unfortunately, I was inadvertantly omitted from the approval process for
> > this press release through no fault of Olle, Edvina, Steven or Sokol &
> > Associates.  I hope to work with Olle and Steven to address the concerns
> > that have been presented to me by members of the community to be sure
that
> > training and -- most importantly -- certification is fair and available
to
> > everyone in the community at an affordable price.
> >
> > For those of you that have concerns, I hope you will feel free to
contact
> > me, Olle or Steven on or off the list, and but please hold your
judgement
> > until we come up with a final announcement.
> >
> > I will be returning January 3, 2005 to the U.S. so it may likely be
after
> > that before any additional announcement is made.
> >
> > Thanks again for all your support.
> >
> > Mark
> > _______________________________________________
> > Asterisk-Biz mailing list
> > Asterisk-Biz at lists.digium.com
> > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 23:04:06 -0400
> From: "Steve Totaro" <stotaro at totarotechnologies.com>
> Subject: RE: [Asterisk-biz] Asterisk training and certification
> ::AstriconTraining
> To: <william.boehlke at signate.com>, "'Commercial and Business-Oriented
> Asterisk Discussion'" <asterisk-biz at lists.digium.com>
> Message-ID: <20041220040223.7B4F12FEDFF at lists.digium.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Exactly, if memory serves me correctly, I paid $125 to take my CCNA
through
> Sylvan Prometric a few years back.  I never took a course or bootcamp.  I
> learned on the job and through self study.
>
> If the cert were to encompass the general knowledge of how to install and
> configure Asterisk, SIP, IAX, and Zapata technologies, then I feel I could
> and would pass that test if given to me right now.  Without the need to
> attend any boot camp or line anyone's pockets.
>
> I always viewed bootcamps as cert paper mills anyways.  I have met way too
> many people holding certs that are totally unknowledgeable in the field of
> their cert.
>
> Thanks,
> Steve
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-biz-
> > bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of William Boehlke
> > Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 9:31 PM
> > To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
> > Subject: Re: [Asterisk-biz] Asterisk training and certification
> > ::AstriconTraining
> >
> > All you have to do is pass Digium's test.
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Shahed <shahed at enoor.com>
> > Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 01:54:04
> > To:Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion <asterisk-
> > biz at lists.digium.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Asterisk-biz] Asterisk training and certification ::
> > Astricon
> > Training
> >
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> >  From the original mail, it seems that certification would
> >
> > 1. Help individual contractors who get certified
> >     by giving them some credibility,
> >
> > 2. Perhaps be of some financial benefit to Digium, as the traning is
> >     licensed from Digium (?)
> >
> > Both the above can be looked at as +ve thing for Asterisk.
> >
> > As for long time contributors (in any form), they should perhaps
> > be given automatic certification as a recognition for their efforts.
> >
> > (But who will decide, who among the 100's or 1000's should get it ? CVS
> > commiters maybe ?)
> >
> > Just my thoughts though.
> >
> > Regards
> > Shahed
> > _______________________________________________
> > Asterisk-Biz mailing list
> > Asterisk-Biz at lists.digium.com
> > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
> >
> > William Boehlke
> > Signate
> > www.signate.com
> > +1 415.442.4011
> > _______________________________________________
> > Asterisk-Biz mailing list
> > Asterisk-Biz at lists.digium.com
> > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 20:14:28 -0800
> From: "steve" <steve at 17q.com>
> Subject: RE: [Asterisk-biz] Asterisk training and certification ::
> AstriconTraining
> To: <el_flynn at lanvik-icu.com>, "'Commercial and Business-Oriented
> Asterisk Discussion'" <asterisk-biz at lists.digium.com>
> Message-ID: <200412201127.iBKBRFkJ006020 at localhost.localdomain>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Those prices are insane.   I have been using Asterisk and have no
intentions
> of learning what I already know.   We have been trying to get certified
for
> over 4 months except no one would call us back from Digium.
>
>
> Digium is finding out that their cards are not selling like they used to
> since most people are now moving directly over to SIP from T1, E1 and Pots
> lines.
>
> That is the problem when you go open source.  I guess they need the money.
>
>
>
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com
> [mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of el Flynn
> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 5:38 PM
> To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
> Subject: Re: [Asterisk-biz] Asterisk training and certification ::
> AstriconTraining
>
> Sorry for the top-post, but:
>
> I honestly thing that the pricing is too high, especially for us Asterisk
> guys
> who are not US- or Europe-based. When you factor in the cost of flying to
> one of
> these certifications, it becomes even more prohibitive. Are the organizers
> forgetting that there -are- active Asterisk developers, contributers etc.
in
>
> many other countries?
>
> Perhaps it's too early to do so, but the organizers should definitely
start
> thinking about organizing these programmes outside of the US and Europe.
>
> Flynn
>
> p/s while not as experienced as Brian, I too feel the same way he does.
>
>
> Olle E. Johansson wrote:
> > *** AsteriskT Open Source Linux PBX Training and Certification
> >
> > Huntsville, AL and Kansas City, MO, December 20, 2004: Digium, Inc.,
> > Edvina AB and Sokol & Associates today released a new program for
> > training and certification of Asterisk professionals. Asterisk is the
> > leading Open Source PBX for Linux, with support for both PSTN
> > connectivity and many VoIP protocols.
> >
> > The first class in the Astricon Training product line is the five-day
> > bootcamp "Introduction to Asterisk". This class will be held in the US
> > and Europe six times during 2005. The organizers and teachers is the
> > same team that set up the Astricon 2004 conference and expo in September
> > this year, an event that gathered over 450 Asterisk users and developers
> > in Atlanta, GA.
> >
> > The new Asterisk certification is named dCAP, Digium Certified Asterisk
> > Professional. To get the certification, one has to go through a 150
> > question exam as well as a practical exam, where the student builds and
> > configures a PBX. The certification will be given by the Astricon team
> > under license from Digium.
> >
> > "This is an important step towards greater acceptance of Asterisk in the
> > enterprise", says Olle E. Johansson of Edvina in Sweden. "With a
> > professional training and certification, you can ensure that your staff
> > or your consultants has the required skills to setup and manage a
> > mission-critical PBX platform based on Asterisk."
> >
> > "The Asterisk Open Source project is building a professional business
> > ecosystem", says Mark Spencer, the founder of Digium and creator of
> > Asterisk. "Many companies are now selling Asterisk-based solutions. With
> > the 1.0 stable release in September, the Digium hardware that ranges
> > from the IAXy end-user device to carrier-class quad-T1 cards and the
> > Digium commercial support we have a professional platform for partnering
> > with major enterprises. The Astricon training and dCAP certification
> > enables us to build a network of consultants that we know will and are
> > able to assist us working on the continued success of Asterisk."
> >
> > The first training class will be held in Kansas City, MO, January 17-21
> > 2005. The cost for a five-day bootcamp with certification is $3,275 USD.
> > Details can be found on http://www.astricon.net
> >
> > AsteriskT is the leading open source PBX, used all over the world. Since
> > it is Linux-based, it inherits all of the power and stability of the
> > operating system. Linux provides open source alternatives to proprietary
> > applications. Asterisk is the first package to fit all telecommunication
> > needs in a broad variety of environments.
> >
> > DigiumT is the creator and primary developer of Asterisk, the industry's
> > first open source PBX. Used in combination with Digium's PCI telephony
> > interface cards, Asterisk offers a strategic, highly cost-effective
> > approach to voice and data transport over TDM, switched, IP, and
> > Ethernet architectures.
> > Digium provides a highly refined selection of quality hardware and
> > software products, developed and implemented using innovative
> > engineering techniques (primarily open source development). A full range
> > of professional services complement these product lines, including
> > consulting, technical support, and custom software development services.
> > The open source communications revolution is here, and Digium is leading
> > the way.
> >
> > Contacts:
> > .    Olle E. Johansson, Edvina AB, Phone +46 8 594 788 10,
> >     http://www.astricon.net
> > .    Steven M. Sokol, Sokol & Associates,
> >     Phone: +1.816.822.1807, IaxTel: 700.613.9004
> > .    Digium, press contact Rick Segrest,
> >     Phone: +1 (256) 428-6000
> >     http://www.digium.com
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Asterisk-Biz mailing list
> > Asterisk-Biz at lists.digium.com
> > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Asterisk-Biz mailing list
> Asterisk-Biz at lists.digium.com
> http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 23:30:48 -0400
> From: "Steve Totaro" <stotaro at totarotechnologies.com>
> Subject: RE: [Asterisk-biz] Asterisk training and certification
> ::AstriconTraining
> To: "'Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion'"
> <asterisk-biz at lists.digium.com>
> Message-ID: <20041220042907.A84142FDE4D at lists.digium.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> When I got my "3Com Networked Telephony Specialist" cert, it was $1,500
for
> three days of "bootcamp".  Then I left their facility and went back to my
> office and took an online open book exam.  The class was real but the cert
> was a joke.  I needed the class to get up to speed on the NBX since I had
> very little experience with it.  Only thing is (or at least used to be),
you
> need to have two certified people on staff at a company to resell the NBX
> product line.
>
> At least with the Cisco/Sylvan cert setup they check you're ID and you are
> tested under a controlled and observed environment.  They test your
> knowledge and don't charge an arm and a leg to do it.
>
> Thanks,
> Steve
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-biz-
> > bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of steve
> > Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 11:14 PM
> > To: el_flynn at lanvik-icu.com; 'Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk
> > Discussion'
> > Subject: RE: [Asterisk-biz] Asterisk training and certification
> > ::AstriconTraining
> >
> > Those prices are insane.   I have been using Asterisk and have no
> > intentions
> > of learning what I already know.   We have been trying to get certified
> > for
> > over 4 months except no one would call us back from Digium.
> >
> >
> > Digium is finding out that their cards are not selling like they used to
> > since most people are now moving directly over to SIP from T1, E1 and
Pots
> > lines.
> >
> > That is the problem when you go open source.  I guess they need the
money.
> >
> >
> >
> > Steve
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com
> > [mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of el Flynn
> > Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 5:38 PM
> > To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
> > Subject: Re: [Asterisk-biz] Asterisk training and certification ::
> > AstriconTraining
> >
> > Sorry for the top-post, but:
> >
> > I honestly thing that the pricing is too high, especially for us
Asterisk
> > guys
> > who are not US- or Europe-based. When you factor in the cost of flying
to
> > one of
> > these certifications, it becomes even more prohibitive. Are the
organizers
> > forgetting that there -are- active Asterisk developers, contributers
etc.
> > in
> >
> > many other countries?
> >
> > Perhaps it's too early to do so, but the organizers should definitely
> > start
> > thinking about organizing these programmes outside of the US and Europe.
> >
> > Flynn
> >
> > p/s while not as experienced as Brian, I too feel the same way he does.
> >
> >
> > Olle E. Johansson wrote:
> > > *** AsteriskT Open Source Linux PBX Training and Certification
> > >
> > > Huntsville, AL and Kansas City, MO, December 20, 2004: Digium, Inc.,
> > > Edvina AB and Sokol & Associates today released a new program for
> > > training and certification of Asterisk professionals. Asterisk is the
> > > leading Open Source PBX for Linux, with support for both PSTN
> > > connectivity and many VoIP protocols.
> > >
> > > The first class in the Astricon Training product line is the five-day
> > > bootcamp "Introduction to Asterisk". This class will be held in the US
> > > and Europe six times during 2005. The organizers and teachers is the
> > > same team that set up the Astricon 2004 conference and expo in
September
> > > this year, an event that gathered over 450 Asterisk users and
developers
> > > in Atlanta, GA.
> > >
> > > The new Asterisk certification is named dCAP, Digium Certified
Asterisk
> > > Professional. To get the certification, one has to go through a 150
> > > question exam as well as a practical exam, where the student builds
and
> > > configures a PBX. The certification will be given by the Astricon team
> > > under license from Digium.
> > >
> > > "This is an important step towards greater acceptance of Asterisk in
the
> > > enterprise", says Olle E. Johansson of Edvina in Sweden. "With a
> > > professional training and certification, you can ensure that your
staff
> > > or your consultants has the required skills to setup and manage a
> > > mission-critical PBX platform based on Asterisk."
> > >
> > > "The Asterisk Open Source project is building a professional business
> > > ecosystem", says Mark Spencer, the founder of Digium and creator of
> > > Asterisk. "Many companies are now selling Asterisk-based solutions.
With
> > > the 1.0 stable release in September, the Digium hardware that ranges
> > > from the IAXy end-user device to carrier-class quad-T1 cards and the
> > > Digium commercial support we have a professional platform for
partnering
> > > with major enterprises. The Astricon training and dCAP certification
> > > enables us to build a network of consultants that we know will and are
> > > able to assist us working on the continued success of Asterisk."
> > >
> > > The first training class will be held in Kansas City, MO, January
17-21
> > > 2005. The cost for a five-day bootcamp with certification is $3,275
USD.
> > > Details can be found on http://www.astricon.net
> > >
> > > AsteriskT is the leading open source PBX, used all over the world.
Since
> > > it is Linux-based, it inherits all of the power and stability of the
> > > operating system. Linux provides open source alternatives to
proprietary
> > > applications. Asterisk is the first package to fit all
telecommunication
> > > needs in a broad variety of environments.
> > >
> > > DigiumT is the creator and primary developer of Asterisk, the
industry's
> > > first open source PBX. Used in combination with Digium's PCI telephony
> > > interface cards, Asterisk offers a strategic, highly cost-effective
> > > approach to voice and data transport over TDM, switched, IP, and
> > > Ethernet architectures.
> > > Digium provides a highly refined selection of quality hardware and
> > > software products, developed and implemented using innovative
> > > engineering techniques (primarily open source development). A full
range
> > > of professional services complement these product lines, including
> > > consulting, technical support, and custom software development
services.
> > > The open source communications revolution is here, and Digium is
leading
> > > the way.
> > >
> > > Contacts:
> > > .    Olle E. Johansson, Edvina AB, Phone +46 8 594 788 10,
> > >     http://www.astricon.net
> > > .    Steven M. Sokol, Sokol & Associates,
> > >     Phone: +1.816.822.1807, IaxTel: 700.613.9004
> > > .    Digium, press contact Rick Segrest,
> > >     Phone: +1 (256) 428-6000
> > >     http://www.digium.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Asterisk-Biz mailing list
> > > Asterisk-Biz at lists.digium.com
> > > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Asterisk-Biz mailing list
> > Asterisk-Biz at lists.digium.com
> > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Asterisk-Biz mailing list
> > Asterisk-Biz at lists.digium.com
> > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 11:33:09 +0800
> From: Dinesh Nair <dinesh at alphaque.com>
> Subject: Re: [Asterisk-biz] Asterisk training and certification ::
> Astricon Training
> To: el_flynn at lanvik-icu.com, Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk
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> On 20/12/2004 09:38 el Flynn said the following:
> > I honestly thing that the pricing is too high, especially for us
> > Asterisk guys who are not US- or Europe-based. When you factor in the
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> coming from the same country as our man flynn, i'd agree. US$3K+ is over
> RM12,000 in malaysia, and that's about 3-4 months salary for the average
> tech. comparatively, RHCE and MCSE certification runs about RM2K-4K
> (US$500-1000).
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> > p/s while not as experienced as Brian, I too feel the same way he does.
>
> i dont really see this certification programme as an "insult" to myself.
> lots of code contributors to the linux projects are not certified
engineers
>   with an RHCE tag, and yet it doesn't seem to bother them. granted, there
> are going to be some customers who'd look at the paper qualifications, but
> i think the knowledge and mastery an individual has will trump a
> certification anytime.
>
> -- 
> Regards,                           /\_/\   "All dogs go to heaven."
> dinesh at alphaque.com                (0 0)    http://www.alphaque.com/
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